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Does planting a tree with the cage and burlap still on hurt the tree i was taught that it does ie. girdlin roots, root rot...by my mentor (certified arborist) and getting laughed at by my new boss uh (certified landscraper) he went to school somewhere??? because im takin the time to take that crap off and he says it wont hurt, " o that burlap just gonna hold more water for it..." is what he said? "just put it in the hole!" we untied it and took the burlap down the the top of the cage

i also posted this thread in the nursey forum but who knows if anyone checks that?
 
does he allow you to wear gloves when you dig the hole?
 
does he allow you to wear gloves when you dig the hole?

o the gloves thing again.....we had the leather work gloves and he didnt think they held as well

this is a different guy landscape company witha tree crew, we have been helping the landscape get ahead on there work and i was planting trees with the owner thats where this question comes from

and i dont wear gloves unless its super cold, or im doing ground work with thorny or sappy trees ill deal with it on my arms but finger tips arent cool
 
Sorry man I had to toss that in there it was perfect timing
 
I do minimal amount of planting and I always remove the burlap and really havent had a tree fail yet. I have heard both sides of the argument over and over for me I just think removing it improves the trees chances.
 
ANSI Planting Standard says the top has to be removed (I can't remember if it top 1/2 or 1/3...).

Burlap also keeps water out. Certainly helps girdle roots and/or stem. Cage will girdle stem. A lot of burlap is synthetic and that will never (well, almost never) rot away. "they" say the natural burlap will rot, but I have dug up 15 year old burlap that is in place.

Take it off if you want to do it right. Leave it on if you want to do it just like 'everybody else'. While you are at it, you might as well put it about 4 inches too deep to make 1st and 2nd year survival better (at the cost of long-term survival).

I always take the entire cage and burlap off...
 
Can't offer any advice on the planting side of things but I have removed "sick" trees with cloth still wrapped around the base. Seems logical to allow the roots to grow as the need without constriction.
 
If the ball is compacted and will retain its shape and composure, remove as much of the burlap and wire as possible. That is the perfect scenario. BUT, if the root ball is loose or if removing too much will crumble the ball;

-cut the bottom ring of wire from the cage on the bottom of the tree ball and remove the burlap, probably a 8"-10" circle of wire and fabric. This will allow any tap roots to grow uninterupted. It will also allow for the upside down cone of the cage to be retained so you can pick up the tree by the cage.

-between each of the wires of the basket, in the squares if you will, make one slice of the burlap to open the fabric to allow roots to emerge easily.

-place the tree in the whole with the burlap and cage still around the ball and now remove the upper wires closing the cage at the top of the ball and remove the ropes around the tree trunk and remove the layer of burlap on top of the ball. Backfill and water

This has opened the ball as much as possible without removing the cage. Keep in mind that natural cloth burlap will degrade over time but synthetic burlap will never degrade and as much as possible needs to be removed.

Good luck :cheers:
 
-cut the bottom ring of wire from the cage on the bottom of the tree ball and remove the burlap, probably a 8"-10" circle of wire and fabric. This will allow any tap roots to grow uninterupted. It will also allow for the upside down cone of the cage to be retained so you can pick up the tree by the cage.
Wow I never heard of doing this but why not.

New Tree Planting

Think of the tree you just purchased as a lifetime investment. How well your tree, and investment, grows depends on the type of tree and location you select for planting, the care you provide when the tree is planted, and follow-up care the tree receives after planting.

Planting the Tree

The ideal time to plant trees and shrubs is during the dormant season’Äîin the fall after leaf drop or early spring before budbreak. Weather conditions are cool and allow plants to establish roots in the new location before spring rains and summer heat stimulate new top growth. However, trees properly cared for in the nursery or garden center, and given the appropriate care during transport to prevent damage, can be planted throughout the growing season. In tropical and subtropical climates where trees grow year round, any time is a good time to plant a tree, provided that sufficient water is available. In either situation, proper handling during planting is essential to ensure a healthy future for new trees and shrubs. Before you begin planting your tree, be sure you have had all underground utilities located prior to digging.

If the tree you are planting is balled or bare root, it is important to understand that its root system has been reduced by 90 to 95 percent of its original size during transplanting. As a result of the trauma caused by the digging process, trees commonly exhibit what is known as transplant shock. Containerized trees may also experience transplant shock, particularly if they have circling roots that must be cut. Transplant shock is indicated by slow growth and reduced vigor following transplanting. Proper site preparation before and during planting coupled with good follow-up care reduces the amount of time the plant experiences transplant shock and allows the tree to quickly establish in its new location. Carefully follow nine simple steps, and you can significantly reduce the stress placed on the plant at the time of planting.

1. Dig a shallow, broad planting hole. Make the hole wide, as much as three times the diameter of the root ball but only as deep as the root ball. It is important to make the hole wide because the roots on the newly establishing tree must push through surrounding soil in order to establish. On most planting sites in new developments, the existing soils have been compacted and are unsuitable for healthy root growth. Breaking up the soil in a large area around the tree provides the newly emerging roots room to expand into loose soil to hasten establishment.
2. Identify the trunk flare. The trunk flare is where the roots spread at the base of the tree. This point should be partially visible after the tree has been planted (see diagram). If the trunk flare is not partially visible, you may have to remove some soil from the top of the root ball. Find it so you can determine how deep the hole needs to be for proper planting.
3. Remove tree container for containerized trees. Carefully cutting down the sides of the container may make this easier. Inspect the root ball for circling roots and cut or remove them. Expose the trunk flare, if necessary.
4. Place the tree at the proper height. Before placing the tree in the hole, check to see that the hole has been dug to the proper depth’Äîand no more. The majority of the roots on the newly planted tree will develop in the top 12 inches of soil. If the tree is planted too deeply, new roots will have difficulty developing because of a lack of oxygen. It is better to plant the tree a little high, 2 to 3 inches above the base of the trunk flare, than to plant it at or below the original growing level. This planting level will allow for some settling (see diagram). To avoid damage when setting the tree in the hole, always lift the tree by the root ball and never by the trunk.
5. Straighten the tree in the hole. Before you begin backfilling, have someone view the tree from several directions to confirm that the tree is straight. Once you begin backfilling, it is difficult to reposition the tree.
6. Fill the hole gently but firmly. Fill the hole about one-third full and gently but firmly pack the soil around the base of the root ball. Then, if the root ball is wrapped, cut and remove any fabric, plastic, string, and wire from around the trunk and root ball to facilitate growth (see diagram). Be careful not to damage the trunk or roots in the process.



Fill the remainder of the hole, taking care to firmly pack soil to eliminate air pockets that may cause roots to dry out. To avoid this problem, add the soil a few inches at a time and settle with water. Continue this process until the hole is filled and the tree is firmly planted. It is not recommended to apply fertilizer at the time of planting.
 
Wow I never heard of doing this but why not.

New Tree Planting

Think of the tree you just purchased as a lifetime investment. How well your tree, and investment, grows depends on the type of tree and location you select for planting, the care you provide when the tree is planted, and follow-up care the tree receives after planting.

Planting the Tree

The ideal time to plant trees and shrubs is during the dormant season’Äîin the fall after leaf drop or early spring before budbreak. Weather conditions are cool and allow plants to establish roots in the new location before spring rains and summer heat stimulate new top growth. However, trees properly cared for in the nursery or garden center, and given the appropriate care during transport to prevent damage, can be planted throughout the growing season. In tropical and subtropical climates where trees grow year round, any time is a good time to plant a tree, provided that sufficient water is available. In either situation, proper handling during planting is essential to ensure a healthy future for new trees and shrubs. Before you begin planting your tree, be sure you have had all underground utilities located prior to digging.

If the tree you are planting is balled or bare root, it is important to understand that its root system has been reduced by 90 to 95 percent of its original size during transplanting. As a result of the trauma caused by the digging process, trees commonly exhibit what is known as transplant shock. Containerized trees may also experience transplant shock, particularly if they have circling roots that must be cut. Transplant shock is indicated by slow growth and reduced vigor following transplanting. Proper site preparation before and during planting coupled with good follow-up care reduces the amount of time the plant experiences transplant shock and allows the tree to quickly establish in its new location. Carefully follow nine simple steps, and you can significantly reduce the stress placed on the plant at the time of planting.

1. Dig a shallow, broad planting hole. Make the hole wide, as much as three times the diameter of the root ball but only as deep as the root ball. It is important to make the hole wide because the roots on the newly establishing tree must push through surrounding soil in order to establish. On most planting sites in new developments, the existing soils have been compacted and are unsuitable for healthy root growth. Breaking up the soil in a large area around the tree provides the newly emerging roots room to expand into loose soil to hasten establishment.
2. Identify the trunk flare. The trunk flare is where the roots spread at the base of the tree. This point should be partially visible after the tree has been planted (see diagram). If the trunk flare is not partially visible, you may have to remove some soil from the top of the root ball. Find it so you can determine how deep the hole needs to be for proper planting.
3. Remove tree container for containerized trees. Carefully cutting down the sides of the container may make this easier. Inspect the root ball for circling roots and cut or remove them. Expose the trunk flare, if necessary.
4. Place the tree at the proper height. Before placing the tree in the hole, check to see that the hole has been dug to the proper depth’Äîand no more. The majority of the roots on the newly planted tree will develop in the top 12 inches of soil. If the tree is planted too deeply, new roots will have difficulty developing because of a lack of oxygen. It is better to plant the tree a little high, 2 to 3 inches above the base of the trunk flare, than to plant it at or below the original growing level. This planting level will allow for some settling (see diagram). To avoid damage when setting the tree in the hole, always lift the tree by the root ball and never by the trunk.
5. Straighten the tree in the hole. Before you begin backfilling, have someone view the tree from several directions to confirm that the tree is straight. Once you begin backfilling, it is difficult to reposition the tree.
6. Fill the hole gently but firmly. Fill the hole about one-third full and gently but firmly pack the soil around the base of the root ball. Then, if the root ball is wrapped, cut and remove any fabric, plastic, string, and wire from around the trunk and root ball to facilitate growth (see diagram). Be careful not to damage the trunk or roots in the process.



Fill the remainder of the hole, taking care to firmly pack soil to eliminate air pockets that may cause roots to dry out. To avoid this problem, add the soil a few inches at a time and settle with water. Continue this process until the hole is filled and the tree is firmly planted. It is not recommended to apply fertilizer at the time of planting.


Thanks for the idiots-guide-to-planting Guy.

Someone hand me my white cane and guide dog, I can't see the diagram!
 
Last trees I planted balled and burlaped, the nursery owner stressed not to plant them any deeper then the original soil depth when I suggested I'd plant them a little deeper. He said that putting them higher would hurt them less but the original depth is right.
I don't remember doing any thing with the wire but I believe I opened up the burlap on top. The wire may or may not of been on them when he delvered them, I forget. He did unload them with a little skidster and dropped them in the hole I had already dug on this high sand hill. It was 7 or more 5 foot N. White Cedar about 2 years ago planted late about this time of year and it was on the dry side most of the summer. I did water a few times. All looked to be growing fine a couple days ago.
 
Cape, you have the right idea, but I think you work too hard at doing it.

We put the tree in the hole (supported by 1/3rd fill, as treeseer mentioned), then cut back the top strings, pull all the nails. Take the wire basket and pull/yank/bend it back away from the ball. Pound the wire basket back away from the root ball as far as you can without disturbing the ball. A large mallet does the job nicely.

Now there is room to stuff the burlap way down to the bottom of the root ball, getting it away from the primary root growth zone. Backfill the hole and tamp soil lightly to firm up the soil holding the tree.

I have heard many arguments for removing the wire cage and the burlap, but I have never been able to get the job done without wasting a ton of time and I have invariably done more damage than benefit to the root ball.
 

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