Planting--what species next?

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This is a little last minute. Tomorrow is the tree sale at Weyco's Rochester nursery. I'm going, again in hopes of scoring some Western Red Cedar. That is usually in demand and sells out if they even have it. In the past, I planted some Incense Cedar, which is growing quite well. But, what is the market here in Warshington for such exotics?

They sometimes have Sequoia, which may be an interesting tree. It grows well here, or at least those planted by the CCCs in the 1930s are huge.

I seem to have root rot in my soil, that's why I've been staying with cedar. Oh, and I'm lazy, my ground is rocky, so the most I buy is a dozen or less. :msp_smile: Then I think about next year.

 

[northmanlogging]

Vine Maples!!!:msp_biggrin:

Do they ever have Yellow ceder? or pacific yew? I've only found the yews in one place for sale, and they only had about 10 of em

 

[Gologit]

Blackberries? Huckleberries? Raspberries?

 

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I do believe they have vine maple. I don't recall seeing yew there.:msp_biggrin: I don't recall seeing yellow cedar there either.

And gologit--I already have raspberries established, and the blueberries look to have survived out winter so far, as for blackberries. who can't grow them? I can mail you some seeds if you want. :msp_sneaky:
My ground that I was wishing would turn to moss has done so. The ferns I transplanted are doing well as is the cheery oxalis I moved.

The alders that I moved around didn't do so well. I think I may have gotten a 50% survival rate for that work. Never mind, more will sprout up soon.

 

[OlympicYJ]

Sequoiadendron giganteum or Sequoia sempervirens? Either way go for it! They grow fast and big. No market for any of the Sequoia, Redwood, or Incense unless sold to an individual with a mill. On that note I've been told Sequoia and Redwood tend to become hollow up here in WA so if you're looking for an actual crop tree WRC might be the best. Maybe some Willamette Valley Yellow pine? It's a Ponderosa that is native to the Willamette and is resistant to some root rots. It's been inter-planted on the Cowlitz. If going to the IFA nursery you can see it on the right bout a mile or two before the left to the nursery. Allot of companies are probably going to be planting it in spots affected by root rot so there may be a decent market in the future.

I have a penchant for planting trees other than the usual. Have a Western white planted on my dads driveway and I'm probably going to be grabbing some Grands.

 

[OlympicYJ]

As a side note Yew would be awesome!!! Why would anyone want to plant viney!? We spend so much time trying to nuke it with spray and pct...

 

[DavdH]

Redwoods, with the globe warming up just shift a site to the S. Be ahead of global warming 100yrs. Mendocino county will be a desert when we are done, this according to public opinion.

 

[northmanlogging]

My ma's got some redwoods planted at her place in Darrington, think my grandpa planted them in the late 50's early 60's, they're push'n 15-18" dbh now. No Idea if they are hollow or not, ma wants to cut em down though...

 

[slowp]

Two CCC planted sequoias, and I don't know what kind, were cut down because they were pushing on the foundation of a historic CCC era warehouse. They were solid, but they were only around 60 years old. I think there may be a photo in the Falling pictures somewhere of them.

I believe Forest Service wildlife folks actually plant vine maple. Or at least the former one here did--had somebody else plant it. He was always worried about Bigleaf Maple and Vine maple because some kind of slugs that are rare like it. We had to figure out how to log around a lot of maple patches.

I like the global warming heads up. My property could be the new Trees Of Mystery tourist trap!

 

[OlympicYJ]

My ma's got some redwoods planted at her place in Darrington, think my grandpa planted them in the late 50's early 60's, they're push'n 15-18" dbh now. No Idea if they are hollow or not, ma wants to cut em down though...

Man that's lousy growth. I know of some that were planted in the 70's that are allot bigger than that. Didn't tape em unfortunately but close to 30". Maybe a little too far inland and a little too chilly...? The ones I was checkin out were allot closer to the coast.

 

[OlympicYJ]

Two CCC planted sequoias, and I don't know what kind, were cut down because they were pushing on the foundation of a historic CCC era warehouse. They were solid, but they were only around 60 years old. I think there may be a photo in the Falling pictures somewhere of them.

I believe Forest Service wildlife folks actually plant vine maple. Or at least the former one here did--had somebody else plant it. He was always worried about Bigleaf Maple and Vine maple because some kind of slugs that are rare like it. We had to figure out how to log around a lot of maple patches.

I like the global warming heads up. My property could be the new Trees Of Mystery tourist trap!

I think Redwood would be okay as far as becoming hollow, I think it was Giant sequoia that had the problems with hollowing. Had some discussion about this and the consensus is it has to do that out on the coast we get too much rain. They will grow like crazy but get that hollow. Giant Sequoia like a little dryer climate than Coast redwood. You might be far enough back from the coast that the they would grow perfect. Giant sequoia is also more tolerant of colder weather than Coast redwood so that might be a consideration where you're at.

 

[DavdH]

I had a coast redwood this week 42" on the small end 18' from the butt, trim was wrong was supposed to be 20', 1 log in an end dump counted the rings, planted in the 80's on hwy 101 at airport in Santa Rosa CA, I got 20 dump trucks full of logs from a hwy widening project. It is the log on the top of the small pile with bark still on it. Not one of these logs is over 70 yrs old.


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[northmanlogging]

Man that's lousy growth. I know of some that were planted in the 70's that are allot bigger than that. Didn't tape em unfortunately but close to 30". Maybe a little too far inland and a little too chilly...? The ones I was checkin out were allot closer to the coast.

Darlictown, is a little odd spot in climate, its only 500' elevation, but home to one of the lowest ice packs in the continental U.S. It rains allot and snows allot. lots of tall steep mountains to block out most of the light. its odd to see anyone in town with a sun tan...

 

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Here's what I ended up with, 10 Western Red Cedar (10 was the limit) 5 Western White Pine and 5 of the Willamette Ponderosa Pines to try out. Gotta dust off the hoedad.

 

[OlympicYJ]

Here's what I ended up with, 10 Western Red Cedar (10 was the limit) 5 Western White Pine and 5 of the Willamette Ponderosa Pines to try out. Gotta dust off the hoedad.

Was the WRC plugs or bare-root? Just curious. What do ya think of the Willamettes? I'm assuming you went with the Western white because of it's resistance to root rot?

BTW like the mix

 

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Let me try to remember. They are still out in the pickup box. I think all are plugs. They are going in where the deer hangs out. I have a willow sprouting there and I hope the deer will munch it and not the new trees.

 

[OlympicYJ]

Are you planning on tubing em? I would absolutely tube the cedars and if it were me everything else. We planted some fir a cpl years ago and the deer and elk went for the buds, nipped the terminals so made em a lil kinkey and pushed the growth back some. And they had plenty to eat nearby but still naild em. Branch buds getting nipped isn't so bad IMHO but I hate seeing the terminals go...

Plugs are really nice. Good for rocky ground and lots of root mass. Lots of times they come with fertilizer in the plug as well. I planted a few WRC plugs that got from my Silv class and they are chuggin along really well.

 

[slowp]

So far, the deer have left my cedars alone. They eat the willow, which is why I let the willow sprout. The elk seem to avoid this area, otherwise I'd probably be tempted to get an elk tag. That's probably why they aren't here. That and the neighborhood dogs.

I've planted cedar every year, plus it comes up naturally and the deer have behaved. Of course, now that I've said that, a herd of rabid vampire cedar sucking deer are probably moving this way to dine soon.

 

[madhatte]

I don't suppose you asked about the provenance on the white pines, did you? The FS research center in Dorena, OR is about 5 generations into blister rust resistance and to the best of my knowledge, most of the seedlings in our area originate from seedstock that started at the Dennie Ahl nursery in the ONF. I spoke with the Dorena folks awhile ago regarding some white and sugar pines I found records of having been planted here around 1980. There was a paper published recently on the state of knowledge regarding the long-term outlook for five-needle pines on our region. I'll find it later if there's any interest. The conclusion was that things look better now than they did ay the start of the study, but there's still a long way to go before blister rust is a non-issue.

 

[slowp]

Nope. I just got 5 of the little beasties. I am ashamed to say, it took me an hour to get 20 trees into my rockpile. One dasn't swing the hoedad hard or it'll break. I hope I didn't plant in the drainfield.

Here's some exciting photos. :msp_smile:
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Now we watch and chant, "Grow little trees, grow."

I believe the next sale is on a Saturday, March 16 from 8AM to noon.