poll for advanced friction hitch users only

[murphy4trees]

The recent distel thread had a few advanced friction hitch users mention that they are working with a terminating knot on the standing end of their climbing lines rather than a spliced eye, which frankly I find surprising... I would never go back to tying that knot... or at least only when absolutely forced to by lack of equipment.... No more than I would go back to using a dial up telephone....

Especially surprised by your reponse MM... you've been a tireless proponent of advanced climbing, rigging and pruning techniques, and certainly "IMJ" stay on the cutting edge of new gear and applications etc... You say you'd rather tie to a snap 'casue it's easier to use than a biner.... That may be true for the first couple of days until you get used to handling the biner... It's one handed operation, slides on the bridge of the saddle etc... as good or better than a snap in my thinking, though it took a while to get used to..

So how do you re-crotch?... do you have to untie and retie the knot or do you pull the snap through the crotch?

Other advantages to the spliced eye include using the girthed stopper ball on the rope guide friction saver, and clipping on a mini biner and throw bag for weight when throwing the line to advance the tie in point...

MM, I'd like to hear your thinking on this cause I respect your perpective... I wonder if trapping the spliced eye behind the tress cord/micro-pulley has anything to do with it... that's one reason why I love Big Jon/Roachy's chained biner set up...

 

[rahtreelimbs]

I have used knots to attach my snap to my climbing line since day one. I always buy my rope by the 600 ft. spool. I have never learned to splice, although that would be nice.


I don't have to worry about the splice or knot catching in a crotch, I untie my snap when needed.


As far as a rope guide or false crotch, I use neither.

 

[SteveBullman]

am i missing something here, why would you want a clumpy snap hook instead of a carabiner.
and also is a snap considered a triple action to release

 

[Nickrosis]

There are a lot of benefits to using a snap.
<li>Easy to use with gloves.
<li>Don't turn and sideload.

 

[SteveBullman]

ermm thats 2
i use gloves when i climb, doesn't stop me opening a carabiner

 

[rahtreelimbs]

Originally posted by stephenbullman
am i missing something here, why would you want a clumpy snap hook instead of a carabiner.
and also is a snap considered a triple action to release

Simply, that is what I am used to. I have a snap on my lanyard. Makes sense to me to use the same on my climbing line.

There is no right or wrong here, just personal preference!

 

[SteveBullman]

Originally posted by RAHTREELIMBS


There is no right or wrong here, just personal preference!

couldn't agree more, just thinking it would be too clumpy, but then i do have 2 krabs, one for my end line and one for my hitch.
2 snaps would be quite cumbersome that way i'd imagine

 

[pe5572]

dan i wouldn't go back. the hitch i use is great.runs freely,butholds when i need it to hold.the other hitchs i have used would bind up after loaded.i just think it is easier to use a more advaned hitch the way i climb.

 

[Nickrosis]

Originally posted by stephenbullman
ermm thats 2
i use gloves when i climb, doesn't stop me opening a carabiner

I didn't want to give 'em all away!

 

[Stumper]

I've been using a carabiner on the end of my climbing line for a few years now. I like 'biners....but I still occassional tie on a snap and must admit that it is much easier to manipulate.