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what are your thought on this pruning style. i just did some today on some crepe myrtles. i find it ugly myself but many clients like it. do you try to dissuede people from this or just go along with it. consider it topping maybe?
 
Perianual selective topping/ stripping abuse that some find beauty in.

Ordinarily, it would incite weak connections, except that they are stripped every year! Grape vines might be an example too.

In the category of tree dignity, and cultivating people to see wild beauty, and wonder at it; i think this pollarding would be a step backwards. i think other similar over trimmed effects, even that are very sharp; have fault of selling over trimming, shaping that which should be the largest, proud and wild to another wild beast taken down to show mastery in that way or something.

To me, some kind of Bonsai; i guess would have the same guilt; except there i hope besides a show of mastery of man over the largest being ever on the planet; a microcosm of the wildness to respect is shown.

Or something like that,
:alien:
 
I think pollarding is ugly, when I worked on the Central Coast of California I saw many nice Sycamores....lovely. If you wanted a smaller bushy tree you should have bought and planted one.
 
I remember watching a conference for master gardners/landscapers from Sacremento and the lady giving the course said that topping is wrong and pollarding has its place and use on some shrubs etc but most pollarding we see is not right.

Agree on its ugliness, if that is a work
 
Do not care for it either, especially since it is usually never done right. Have seen some trees correctly pollarded and they can have some appeal in the right setting. Depends on the reason it was done also.
As far as doing it now, with crepe myrtle I always though the spring was the time to pollard after the frost, open cuts now before frost might cause problems? Where is our Board certified Master Arbo Guy to get an opinion on this?
 
I've seen it properly done and must say that I still didn't like it much. Crepe Myrtles are one of the few species where it makes some sense to me.
 
Pollarding and topping are two very different techniques. Everyone should take a little time to find out what they are before you lump them together. Most people who cut the tops off of trees in the US have no clue what they are doing when they claim that they're pollarding.

Who'll be the first to do their homework and report back on the differences?

Tom
 
I was at my parents place today, playing in their 23 year old London Plane tree, it had a reduction pruning about 6 or 7 years ago and nothing else until today when I fiddled in it. across the street the neighbor dude pollarded his (yes, truly pollarded to knuckles) about 10 years ago and did it again a couple or three years after, he has since let it go and grow. it is now almost the same size as my parents tree but... IMHO the multiple attachments at the former knuckles are weak looking and I would expect it to have a few failures if the weather and conditions are right whilst I would not expect such failures on the other tree. So I think if one is to pollard a tree, one must continue to pollard said tree. Maybe I wil take some pics next time I am out that way for fun.

cheers
 
Personally, I do not like the practice, but I have seen it done with some rather interesting visual effects. My children can spend hours imagining all sorts of neat creatures with "knobby" little heads in the neighbors Mulberry...:dizzy:
 
Originally posted by arboromega
i find it ugly myself but many clients like it. do you try to dissuede people from this or just go along with it ?
Neither. Many crepemyrtle owners want that mop of flowers that result from topping, and don't want to hear about future health problems. An effective compromise can be tip reduction, small diameter cuts that retain the natural shape but still promote flowering.

Two nodes past last years cut is a typical target. ;)

Pollarding involves "annual removal of shoot growth at the point of origin"(ANSI). I did my homework first, Dr. Dunlap, do I get a gold star?:D

I think the look of a properly pollarded crepe or other tree can be pretty cool with those knobs and all, but mtc is too high$ for most owners. And the point about "why not plant a smaller tree" is a good one.

That's why you see dwarf crepemyrtles on the market now.
Wonder if a growth regulator would work well on crepemyrtles?
 
I'm not a fan, but I saw abundant examples of it once when it made perfectly good sense, and although done intentionally, it was really done quite by accident.

This was while travelling in Costa Rica a few years ago. I don't know what specie of trees, but I do remember the bark was photosynthetic, as well as the leaves.

The trees would be planted for use as fence posts- living fence posts. This tree would send out very straight shoots. Yearly, at the onset of the dormant season, the farmers would lop off the limbs at about chest-height, collect, and store them. These newly lopped branches would get stuck in the ground at the beginning of the next wet season, would root, and would become the next generation of fence posts.

Back to where those new posts came from.... The original mother posts, lopped back to the point of origin, at the beginning of the rainy season would begin sending out new shoots (very fast-growing I might add). At the end of the growing season the same procedure would be repeated, simply to provide new fenceposts for another field the following year.

What this did, years later, was it created pollarded trees. Hundreds upon hundreds of chest-height trunks with weird, bulbous, contorted heads all swollen and grotesquely shaped atop a perfectly shapen green cylinder. Each was similar to the others in height and diameter, though each was uniquely individual in it's bizarre top.

This fascinated the crap outta me, and I wanted to stop and take a look at them. My travel companions were convinced that I just wanted to get out and scan the cow fields for yummy fungal specimens, and since it was the dry season they refused to stop, hence, no pictures.

Quite possibly the world's largest collection of pollarded specimens.
 
Originally posted by jimmyq
So I think if one is to pollard a tree, one must continue to pollard said tree.

Correct if it is only done once then it is not a pollard, it is simply the removal of annual growth. A pollard is a practice done in perpetuity for the life of said pollard.

Kinda like a clear cut is only a clear cut if all the trees are harvested and then replanted for another rotation. If a whole forest is cut down, that is not a clear cut, it is simply making a field or removing trees. Ahhhh, I digress

back to pollards

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pollarding orginated as a management technique, back in days of old when coppice (cutting the tree down and utilising the regroth). pollarding allowed the land owner to graze animals under the trees, effectivly coppice8 foot up.

every so often (depending on what size of wood was taken the regrowth was cut back to the knuckle, and the knuckle wouldnt rot / decay.

oak bark was used for tanning leather (thats all i know on bark useage),

as for good arbo practice, minimal rot inside, good compartmentalization etc, just it doesnt look nice / give us big trees to climb.

pollards dont look good in my eyes but its better than topping

jamie
 
Originally posted by Guy Meilleur
Pollarding involves "annual removal of shoot growth at the point of origin"(ANSI). I did my homework first, Dr. Dunlap, do I get a gold star?:D
Is that like a stale donut in da back of the head?:D

Here are some pages from "Tree Pruning" by Doc Shigo. Prolly have to use (click) that enlarge button that appears when floating mouse over lower R.Hand corner of picture Like This.
 
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