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If you work for one man painting a house, he may be happy, another not.

The unhappy man might not have liked your paint prep, clean-up, overspray etc. He might be being an embittered hardcase, or he might honestly have different "Quality Identifiers" of what passes for a quality job.

i think most 'civilians' have poor/wrong quality identifiers of proper tree work and seek to modify their "Quality Identifiers". i think that the view of no spiking/topping, interfering with branch collars etc. is a message to be carried forward; that i imagine a lot of us do. Until it is, those that perform the better services will prolly a lot of times be short changed, for their superior services and efforts; by equivalent pay.

New ideas and technologies, always seem to take a while to trickle down, to become fully immersed in the peoples it seems. To make it worse, i think it is a common experience to have grown up knowing/seeing, that trees get topped, painted, spiked, stobbed, liontailed etc. Then all the sudden it is wrong....

So this change needs to happen; i think people need different 'Quality Identifiers' to determine competant tree service, whether by themselves on a 1" branch or hiring someone. It is not rocket science, easier to understand than windows, etc.

i think one place for doing this would be schools, that would take care of the future, and even some of the present in a round about way. Just in discussion, the new things kids bring home, seeing people work, the aftermath of slaughter etc.; kids might want to sahow what they know etc.

i was thinking that if like ISA or someone had short modules for schools to plug in to other studies (biology, botany, respect for life, wonders of the world, leverage math, changing ideas of the world, knotting in boy scouts etc. as vehichle); where by their were premade lesson plans, handouts, tests etc. that would fit the format of classrooms. such as material to be convered in 1-14 day sessions 60 min. each (or whatever popular in such settings). There could be a ~6 grade and ~10th grade version i think. To fit in standard topics as mentioned, or an elective highschool 'wild week' thing, where for some hours the go to classes in less usual subjects.

They would get downloadable, real life examples of up to date info, free of charge or work. The trojan horse, would also carry/implant the newer science of understanding etc. Maybe even a pamphlet whatever for dad....

i was thinking it could be perhaps an education student at a university might work something like that for a grade etc.; or the core structure to build on.

My first thought of course is to pop this forward to Nick of course. Not to do himself, just an idea to play with; and i know their are others out thar too. Nick has been most active and lending here, ISA etc. already in his few years. Donald Trump spoke of when you grow up from 4yrs. old hearing the intracacies of an artful profession, till it is 2nd nature; gives one a feel for things like none other, especially early in adulthood. So with that depth, and position in school, active at it too; i of course think of bouncing it off him first here.

Been a lil'shy about it with what has been said lately about his efforts; yet it is he that acts his age or beyond polightly. So, Nick; and ye others at educational places trying to better yourselves; ya might keep an open mind if this strategy would fit any scenario that comes up; that someone feels energized to do such a thing.

It is for the cause, the change that will not happen over night!

Orrrrrrrr something like that!
-KC
 
It's out there now, kc

Project Learning Tree has good lesson plans, www.arborday.org has curriculum free or cheap (but watch the quality--they divided trees into "deciduous or conifers"!?!?), SC put out "Discovering the Urban Forest", NC did "Branching Out", ISA has their 3 books for kids.

Contact UF enviro Hort or forestry extension; they're bound to hok you up with lesson plans you can take to a school tomorrow. I teach Botany for 7th grade and green electives at elem schools, and science camps in the summer; great fun, and yeah the main idea is to reach the next generation.

Men are more influenced by what their daughters say than anything else, so plant the seed in a young one's mind, yes!
I just left a yard where most of the trees are construction-killed, and the replacements are 10" deep out of the nursery and smothered in clay by the landscaper. The guy had no clue.

Kids figure things out readily, if someone shows them. Good post spydey.
 
Thanks, kinda didn't find anything checking on my own!

Botany would be a perfect example; a tree to study would be as like another woody plant under a microscope for some examanations. Then explaining in the other direction, man has tilled the soil for milleniums to aerate and fluff to a more growable condition; and traditionally walks in between garden rows; no different for a tree then?

i guess i can take some of my own blabber from here and make some kind of inkjet 4 to a page post cards to carry in glove compartment. Still carry some usually with picture of girl that went thru chiiper, and safety blurb on back to give to other tree folk'ere. Guess i could do same on some tree theme, to upgrade my own march; don't cost much, stash easily.

Folks awareness of some things should be raised be on so inept. From a climber's view, you can see the torn fiber holes from spikes that don't heal well; as any torn wound in anyone or thing don't. The same disrupted fibre; the spike wearer will try not to let happen in a cut and/ or branch collar, at one specific point; yet spike the same damage all over to get there. If an insect was all over doing that, they'd want it erradicated! Even a great massive whale will suffer from so many pin pricks of less degree/tearing damage.

Rant over!
Thanx!

Maybe see what i can do this weak-end; per haps post if it don't suck tooooooooo bad!
:alien:
 
Yeah, I don't know how many other people are familiar with Project Learning Tree, but it's a text we used with kids in the Student Society of Arboriculture. To us, it is a lot of common sense, but it's well thought-out and an inspiration if you're trying to figure out where to start. Sometimes you need a little dumbing down to realize what the basics are!

And have I experienced that first hand or what with first graders. You have to find where your audience is at and begin from there. "Who here has a tree near there house?" Then ask "who has ever climbed a tree before?" The responses are great - from "Mommy won't let me climb" to "I have a tree fort" and on down the line. Extremely rewarding.

I made this webpage just now for everyone: http://students.uwsp.edu/ncraw045/kidsclimb.htm

But, Guy. Ken has a great point with the shortcomings of our client base having an incorrect set of conceptions about what should be done that stems from misinformation from long ago. We have a lot to overcome!
 
i kinda peeked at them sites thar Guy, thanx.

This has been going thru my head all day maybe longer, gonna see what i come up with'fer i peek again teach! And a fair amount of my work i've done already anyway i think in Proper Wounding Thread rant.

That, and a buddy of mine's favorite line "It's exactly the same but different......... ya gotta understand" (okay, he does it better than me!).

i can always meld whatever i puke out of this stir with what is written on those sites. i feel the urge to (learn more MSWord?)follow my own processes here.

Thanx,
:alien:
 
Here is a start, actually have more, but still polishing. This has gone from a 4/1page inkjet postcards; to 1 full page of paper folded 'shortways', for 4 faces. Who would ever thin i had so much to say?

Because of bordering losses tracing around each of the 4/1; i think the full page might give closer to 5x the productive area.

This i would think would be inside page 1; of a single sheet of paper from an inkjet as expense to modify QI.

Orrr something like that.........
:alien:
 
i guess this would be the 'back page' of the piece of paper.

Guess i been drawing to this for a while, as it collects and takes shape; actually kinda started thinking of some need like this cuz of a kid down the street, and trying to explain to him and buddies in commonsense/visible terms of common principals, whether they knew them before and applied them here or learned them here to carry them forward; still all the same.
 
Originally posted by TheTreeSpyder
i guess this would be the 'back page' of the piece of paper.
The NAA exists no more; now known as the TCIA.

It looks like a good effort; is it for public or pros or newbies?
 
Don't say nutting, Kenny!
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Yes, shoulda caught the NAA thang myslef, kinda though it as writing; blazed on thru..

Thanx,
i guess fairly it is for the trees targetting public, quipped this mourning lacking of sleep; it could be a newbies training guide.

i showed it to a spiker that of course after 30 years knows better than what it said; so i guess it is also for those that will listen.

Front page vague; i guess they already have to desire to read. Should be a fair use of a single sheet; some measure of justice in where it came from (trees), and now how it is used....

Sometimes printer jams, bad when ya already printed one side, so i am thinking you print the cheaper/blacker side first, so mostly you only lose it if that happens. Draft quality on printer for speed and ink economy, but much better on like a 24#brite100+ white. the ink seems to go down deepr than across(?) so sharper, longer lasting(?); shows colors off best/better than run of mill or colored, watermarked, parchment; tried a few.

Guess i'm a lil stir crazy this weak-end; Lady is a lil'tied up (not like that; but i like how ya think!);)
 
a Lil'punchy this mourn, Front page still elusive. This would be the inside, 2nd page i think.

Erik kept picking on me all night, or i would have had it done Teach! Made the point that he didn't think i could hold my own as he does; heck; i'm the one with a girl friend(Mmmmm dang fine won too!)! So, why would i want to do that?
 
On this am looking to place the back page to front; so list of contradictions to popular thought is hook.

Store nice in gallon zip locks folded in half.

i already carry a lil ziplock, for the post card sized (4 to page) pro-paganda. i left one of these face down, taped to the back of a chipper today at a bar. i was even going to go in, but it had been too long and the stale beer stench was overpowering....

An inkjet can be a very powerful thang! Ain't supposed to rain, ahd it tucked up under ledge a might from due etc. anyway. Hopefully, it will be seen in mourning; it actually sits there at the bar for advertising....

Even if it gets moved, taped pretty good, but 1 also accident-ally fell inside the window officer! Such espionage missions, require looking well around, moving quickly and purposefully not looking like ya got anything.

Picture is before shot.
 

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