roping wood

[arboromega]

anyone here use a timber hitch around the block of wood being lowered. i thought that was not good, saw a guy doing it not too long ago

 

[rborist1]

:Eye:

 

[glens]

Set up right, it can be a slow variation on the speedline.  hahaha

 

[Stumper]

My Dad always liked a timber hitch. I prefer a clove but honestly I think I rolled out about as many clove hitchs as dad ever rolled out Timber hitches.

 

[MasterBlaster]

I've seen it used before, also. I don't use it. I don't think it's a proper knot for roping. A running bowline is what I prefer.

 

[a_lopa]

old climbing clips,or straight clip instead of bowline.modern

 

[MasterBlaster]

A lot of people like using that.

It just don't feel right to me.

 

[a_lopa]

we got some pretty shabby lookin retired clips,but it works fine.they get a little bent

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

Originally posted by aussie_lopa
old climbing clips,or straight clip instead of bowline.modern

Maybe not modern, because it's an old idea, wrong fits better because you side load the carabiner. We've talked a lot about this in previous threads. Your own comments about having a bunch of damaged biners confirms how stupid it is to misuse tools in an industry where your dicisions can mean property damage, injury, or death.

I realize I won't change your attitude about doing things correctly, I just wanted to point it out to those who may be less informed and think, "hey, that looks cool."

 

[a_lopa]

ive got some fair sized swamp gums to do soon very heavy limbs ill do a test with a biner two bends thru a natural smooth crutch to see what happens,there is nothing under them.removed due to ants just joking guy.its a property development

mike i think it would help the under informed its easier to do up a biner than tie a bowline

 

[a_lopa]

mike i only use that set up on smaller stuff to reasonable, all ways use a steel biner you would be suprised what they have lowered.modern

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

Like I said, I won't change your mind, just looking out for others.

Being a good professional is the cummulation of how you do all things. If this were the only thing you did wrong, it would bother me, but the type of guy that does things wrong, even after knowing they are wrong, is likely to do many things wrong.

What's the old saying? "How you do anything, is how you do everything."

That's why it's so easy to spot a hack at just a glance. You see one or two things like a no hardhat, single tie in or a one handed cut, and it's obvious how he does everything, unprofessionally. You don't even have to stick around and watch how he ties on a limb to know he'll take some stupid shortcut.

Then, he always has an answer like, "I only do small stuff with a high rated biner." As proof he's kidding himself, he has a box of fooked up biners in the truck.

 

[a_lopa]

ill admit im the short cut king,i want to get back home before i start a job still i have enough tricks in my bag to get what has to be done.like my old boss would say"if you see a shot take it''even i didnt think that was a good way to train people

 

[Dadatwins]

Originally posted by arboromega
anyone here use a timber hitch around the block of wood being lowered. i thought that was not good, saw a guy doing it not too long ago

Not for me, like the running bowline with maybe a marl around it for bigger pieces. I sometimes used the timber hitch around a standing trunk to pull it over, think it is easier to remove from the log once its on the ground.

 

[SteveBullman]

i was always taught a timber hitch was a safe knot for lowering providing you have the bite in the right direction, that being said i always either use a running bowline, or krab, simply because its faster and more efficient and easier for the groundsman to untie.

 

[a_lopa]

there is nothing wrong with a timber hitch.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Originally posted by aussie_lopa
there is nothing wrong with a timber hitch.

It's okay for rigging blocks/whatnot.

Not for roping, IMO.

And the direction of the bight is important.

 

[TheTreeSpyder]

So is the tail of the timber hitch working it's way around the spar to be under the most immediate and intense pressure of the loading force. so that after the wrap, and turns it takes very little presure to hold it, then pinchit under the mainline pressure as much as possible IMLHO.

Though i favor TH for dragging, temporary stays, not overhead lowering lifting, where jostling the load, it getting partially supported on something else can loosen the loosely wrapped eyesplice it makes i think, and cause an unravelling; the strategy must maintain loaded condition to be secure.

Any forces deleivered perpendicular to a stiff item's long axis leverages it; in steel, aluminum, wood or line etc.

Or something like that,
:alien:

 

[a_lopa]

it works fine lowering limbsalthough ill mix them up eg if its a big heavy limb ill t/h if its just a baby ill bowline.ill do what rocky says 99% 2 bends and clip instead of raping,so what if i go through a few all ready used biners,the worst biner for being bent is still functional.....i love stubais.......tow a mack truck was there old marketing campaign..........why would you buy a alloy biner it beats me.......dont anyone tell me cause of weight.....

 

[a_lopa]

where are all the tree men at on this thread