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on the subject of the ms200t a friend of mine made an improper snap (bypass) cut the other day on an alder log. the saw stayed in the cut when the log fell, and as he did not have a breakaway lanyard something had to give and it turned out to be the saw itself. i was surprised that the small clip didn't give, but the entire gas tank, half of the handle, carb/air filter stayed with him in the tree and the rest went down.
 
I've found that when making big jump cuts on relatively horozontal limbs, I can make my top cut slightly behind the undercut rather than past it. This forces the limb to jump free more so than hinge down, and leaves a tiny step to hold the saw and keep it from getting ripped out of my hand. I'm not sure exactly why it works, but I don't get 'saw snatchers' any more.
 
Exactly, Kevin. I do not use this cut all the time, but in certain situations where I'm jumping off an extremely large limb where there is a good chance of getting snatched I'll do it. It's great hearing the 'POP' when it jumps off!
 
I cut directly over the bottom cut, haven't had any trouble yet but maybe I`ll back it up a bit.
 
What was the guy using to attach his saw to his saddle? I would imagine it would take something pretty strong to actually support a saw being ripped in half :(
 
Box cut

Brian and Kevin
I sometimes use a box cut on low long horizontial limbs when I dont want them to hinge. One senerio when hinging is that the tip can hit the ground first and the butt spring back towards U.
When done correctly it also makes a nice POP and floats horizontal to the ground.
Firstly I do the under cut, then side cuts in the same plane as the undercut and finish with a top cut also in the same plane.
Depth of cuts depends on tree species, limb weight and position of cut .Critical observation and resulting adjustments during and ater the inital cuts is essential.
Called a box cut because of the box shape of the holding wood.
I have never had a saw catch in one of these cuts.
 
My understanding of the jumpcut is tht you need the top cut behind the bottom to create the "jump".

Bottom cut is made to beginning of failure so the tension is greater then top cut slightly behind. The limb will spring up and out slightly.

A wat to control large cuts is the vertical speedline. I picked this up at a TCT-USA workshop.

Have the line anchored top and bottom of the tree with a little slack and but tied the load with a carab and sling. This will keep the but from flipping on impact.
 
i think that Sherrill illustrates this as a 'saw catcher'.

As JP says, i walk the kerf under cut to point of faiure, maybe even sliding the saw back and forth to detect the least amount of drag as i cut up. But then as Murph and Kevin refer to, i take out the sides to remove some more support, walking the cut closer to failure; without fear of the saw getting pinched. Also this leaves less fibre to cut through for a faster cut, on the final release, for wider control of cutting speed (you can always slow it down),a nd precise, all at once release. i think that going in front of the undercut creates the saw catcher effect with so much leveraged pull pulling back and down. Coming behind undercut, tends to make green end not fall as early, if you can get that kerf undercut 'slam' closed, and release suddenly; i beleive that you can get the jump effect. If it closes slower, or doesn't release all at once, i don't think it can get that 'pop' that jumps. In topping this effect turned 90* can make a top jump a fence etc.

In felling this would be a kerf dutchman, and pretty dangerous with all the leveraged mass thrown into such a devised machine, giving a normal face cut, and continuing the horizontal cut past the down stroke, can make another similar machine, but not so violent and powerful. But it still is a kerf cut for that is the main inside hinge, and the faces will close early, doing this to one side (leaning)can push off to the other side from that buildup, and leave more hinge pulling to that side that is being pushed to all at the same time. Some of this stuff can give desired effect to crane jobs, by setting the crane up to take or snap off the piece just right.

In bucking these same things can be used, jsut watching all tensions and forces, you can make an instant release sometimes, or 2 kerfs missing each other for a 'Z' fracture/limb lock.

Jumping back toward you/trunk is usually the biggest problem, getting a straight drop down is easier, or slight turn to the side and straight down can be easier, more positive and sufficient. Using any down cutting technique that releases immediately all at once, i think can bring about a straight cut as the energy flows immediately down instead of back and down. Once again the 'box' precutting a 'U' underneath, for faster saw speed and more immediate trigger to release helps. The final cut can come straight down into the undercut. Some things are small enough, that they don't need to be undercut, the speed of the saw alone provides a sudden enough release. A faster saw (020/200 or 335 etc.) can get the next level of diffuculty just as well. My next strategy is to cut across slightly on release cut or give slight turn to load, so that at release a portion of the energy is thrown sideways (even if not visibly); scheming that that part of the total force is now not moving down, there fore less likely to pull back, yielding straighter drop down. That strategy can work with an under cut too.

Sometimes i do a 'Vertical Speedline' (nice term) by not lowering a load all the way slack, and letting that be a lower anchor with everyone clear.
 
I've always had a fear of saw snatchers though I've never had one happen until yesterday. It was my fault getting in a hurry on a big red oak removal. The saw landed in leaves and soft dirt and the ground guy sent it right back up without a scratch. A friend told me a few years ago about this and I stopped using a saw lanyard. I clip the saw into the carabiner on the side of my Versatile. I'd rather the saw fall to the ground if it gets caught. I can replace the saw but not myself. The piece of wood was probably 300 lbs. That would make for a serious snatch if it was on a lanyard.
 
Have had it happen many times, but I'm usually ready for it and let the saw go, no problem. But I do use a lanyard and once the edge of the chain let's go it's fine not that big of a yank, usually it breaks free before I let go of the saw.
I think the chain getting a little loose or a or a little dull contributes to it getting stuck in the kerf easier.
 
Mike;
The jump is for small to moderate pieces and the improved is for moderate to large pieces.
The idea behind the improved is to remove as much sap wood as possible without having the limb fail until you execute the top cut.
 
this saw trap was a just off vertical log approx. 12' tall and 6" thru. he made his second cut above the first on the upside of the direction of lean. he said he heard it start to pop but continued to cut.

he had the saw attached to his belt with a weaver lanyard. buckingham belt, lanyard connected to one of the saw rings.

i have some pics but they're on film, maybe i'll scan them.
 

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