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I would tell them if they put Tree Care on the front page, then I'd think about it.

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I agree with Nick,

I did not see tree care in the first two pages of searching. As a customer, I would have moved on.

How much are they asking?
 
It's a referral service, that apparently tries to expand into many trades.

When I used Google Ads and Overture (Yahoo now), that Service Magic was bidding an enormous $3 per click for landscape contracting keywords.

It was apparently to be a bid to intimidate other landscapers from trying to out-bid them.

Other landscapers went no higher than 50 cents per click. And the way the system works, is that the highest bidder pays only 1 cent more than the next highest bidder.

So when someone clicks Service Magic, they only pay 51 cents per click, even if they bid $3 per click, because one cent over the second highest is at 51 cents.

So what one landscaper and I did, for landscaping and tree service, was to raise our bids up to $2.99 per click.

That means that Service Magic will get anihilated with a full $3 per click whammy when they get clicked on, because they can't drop their cost lower. One cent over $2.99 holds them at $3 per click.

On the other hand, the other landscaper and I could fall-back on that the third place bidder was still at about 25 cents per click. So when we got clicked on, our click dropped to one cent over the third place bidder, leaving us with 26 cents.

In essence, what we did was cause Service Magic to incur a 600% increase in advertising costs for sponsored ads dispayed and clicked on.

If multiple professions all do this same second slot increase simultaneously, it can cause an across the board 600% increase to a top bidder utilizing an intimidating bid.

If anyone tries this, you need to monitor weekly to make sure that the slot below you does not raise up much higher to do the same. A safety net is setting a daily expenditure limit.

When I used Overture, it told exactly what the first, second and third place bids were.

Google is a bit different. I think it shows where a certain bid will rank, rather than disclose all bids.

But for anyone using Overture or Google ads, I'd recommend - for your area keywords and trade keywords, consider bumping your bids up much higher if someone is using that trick that Service Magic was using.
 
M.D. Vaden said:
It's a referral service, that apparently tries to expand into many trades.

When I used Google Ads and Overture (Yahoo now), that Service Magic was bidding an enormous $3 ...Service Magic was using.


I appreciate the break down but I have limited back ground in internet bidding and leads services. In short...you lost me.

Is there a good place to learn about this type of bidding and services?

Books? Sights? How long did it take you to get savvy on this stuff?

Thanks
 
Basically, the higher you bid, the higher your pay per click ad will display on the page. It's near certain way to get on page one.

In short, whatever you bid - say 25 cents per each time someone clicks your ad - you will only get charged one cent higher than the bid below your bid. If the next lowest is 24 cents, you remain at 25 cents per click. If the next bid below yours is 6 cents per click, then you only pay 7 cents per click even if you bid 25 cents.

The pay per click sites explain in detail. I generally bid at 6 cents to 10 cents average. My daily limit was set at $2, so I'd never incur an accidental surge. But the system worked well for me. I don't think I ever saw more than 50 cents per day in charges, and no month ever exceeded $10. It did not bring a lot of work, but it did increase work and far more than paid for itself - maybe one or two extra jobs per week or two.

Don't be too broad if you make ads - the ad being too broad.

I recommend Google Ads.

Don't use Keywords as broad as "tree service" or you'll show everywhere in the USA. That messes up your ad - how many times it displays in proportion to how many times it gets clicked. You don't want 1000 displays and only 3 clicks.

You want to list keywords (the system explains how to step by step) like "Portland Tree Service"
"Beaverton Tree Service"

Make ONE ad for Tree Service with every suburb name in front as keywords.

Make ANOTHER ad for Arborist or Certified Arborist with suburb names in front.

Make ANOTHER ad for stump grinding.

Make ANOTHER ad for Tree Service.

You can have multiple ads in the campaign. The ads are limited in size. So don't try and squeeze Pruning in the same ad as Tree Service.

Make a separate ad for PRUNING.

A separate ad for Tree Trimming.

Separate ads for each major category or term by which the seeker will seek. And WITHIN each of those ads, place each suburb name before the primary keyword that will trigger the ad:

Portland Stump Grinding
Tigard stump grinding
Portland stump grinders
Tigard stump grinding
Portland stump Removal
Tigard stump removal

No weird punctuation or all caps. A good ad will read

Portland Stump Grinding
M.D. Vaden Tree Service
Complete Stump Removal

That's about all the text an ad will get. That's why the ad campaign does better with many small ads within it. There's no extra charge or penalty within Google ads to make the separate ads within the campaign.

I had separate mini-ads in my campaign for:

Landscaping
Landscape Contractor
Tree Service
Pruning
Sod and Lawn Install
Certified Arborist

An arborist ad does not suffice when someone is looking up, and for, the words / text "tree service" or "tree trimmer.

I dropped Google ads when my website rose to the top of the page. Then people clicked on my website and not the ad.

Use Google and type in:

Portland Landscape Designer

or

Medford Certified Arborist

and you will see where I rank and why I don't use the ads anymore.

If you enter

Portland Landscaper

or

Portland landscape

you may see an ad for Lewis Landscape Services. He has been at this google and overture pay per click ads thing for years. He's who pointed out the ad thing for me. In fact, he paid for the initial construction and hosting of my site as a present after I helped him out. So he was my mentor. Since then, I figured out how to rise my site to a higher level than he achieved with his. Partly because I have more time for it and I like writing informational parts for my site which draws inbound links.
 
Hahaha...this is cracking me up. So everytime I visit AS (a couple times a year, I know...), I read stuff by you, MD, and think - wow, this guy is a great guy and so smart, it'd be great to meet him. Then I think, I wonder where Beaverton, Oregon is. I type it into Google and AutoComplete meets me halfway, reminding me that I've searched for you before!

The last time, though, I wasn't dating a girl in OR and visiting her on a regular basis. One of these times I'm in Portland, I'll have to try to get in touch with you - probably in a couple weeks and again in March when I go skiing with her at Whistler. :)
 
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Nickrosis...

Remember, I'm in Jacksonville near Medford now. Actually, I'm in Ruch with a Jacksonville address... I made a page, scroll down the page and see what you think of the area. Satellite image shows the terrain...

APPLEGATE VALLEY

You see, I happen to hold one of the top three google positions for arborist and landscape trades for Portland, even though I've been south since July, where I also gained the top rankings. I'm keeping my rank high in Portland to send referral work to an arborist up there.

Feel free to email me anyhow. By the way, I was born in B.C. - Vancouver, near Whistler, but lived in Oregon most of my years.

I just bumped into someone else from this AS in Medford the other day. He was working on a tree that crunched-in the top of a house. I yelled "mind being in a photo for my tree class" and he yells back "are you Mario? - I met you on AS"
 

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