Snagfalling

[forestryworks]

had five good sized oaks marked back in the summer (18" DBH + and 25-50ft. tall) they've still got sound wood in them so they will be going for firewood

this tree will be seen on youtube soon

double - each was around 19" DBH

Silhouette of the doubles

first stump - double on the right

facing up the left double

First try... too shallow, recut

better

stump

 

[Jacob J.]

Looking good.

 

[forestryworks]

thanks

 

[RPM]

You're first undercut (photo labeled -first try) was fine - not too shallow. A steeper cut will drop the butt right at the base of the stump - a shallower cut will close quicker and tend to lift / launch the butt more. And try to watch how your holding wood - a little skinny on the first and perfect on the second.Thats the way conifers drop anyways - haven't done too much hardwood falling. I'm sure there will be other opinions.

Looks good anyways :greenchainsaw:

 

[smokechase II]

Cuts looked fine.

There could be a bunch of back-cut height, holding wood thickness measurement dissections.

You're at least OK, maybe pretty good.

 

[njforestfire]

Cuts looked pretty good. Good amont of firewood there - looks like red oak...???

 

[njforestfire]

But the bark doesn't look like red oak....I can tell by the smell of the wood!! Love that smell!

 

[forestryworks]

Cuts looked pretty good. Good amont of firewood there - looks like red oak...???

white oak (post oak)

 

[njforestfire]

Where in Texas are you forestryworks? Been to Texarkana - loved it down there!

 

[056kid]

Cuts look good. Mabe a little too much wood on the second one. had she been green she maay have popped on ya!

 

[joesawer]

Looks good.
That vine on the second tree makes me itch just looking at it.
Make sure you cut throught a vine like that before your back cut, as I have had them swing trees way out of the lay before.

 

[Bushler]

Looks good to me. Best to clean out your faces and never use a dutchman or stepped face on a snag. The jolt to the stem when it sets down can cause a rotten top to come down around your ears. I always try to fall snags directly or very slightly quartered to the lean, with a nice clean face.

Snags are dangerous.

 

[forestryworks]

some more pics

good stumps and bad stumps, or end of the day stumps

fiber pull - see the hole in the hinge? it made that distinctive fiber pull noise too

 

[hammerlogging]

FW, you're never going to get the same behavior out of standing dead as you will with green wood. Nor will all standing dead behave the same, some hinges will behave like they're not even there. Don't try and pull them too far, and always watch for those dead tops breaking out and falling toward you. That said, by the look of your stumps, you know how to cut, which is a good thing.

 

[slowp]

Fiber pulls ok if the spikey things are on the log. No deduction. That screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee noise was common when they used to cut the big stuff here. Should you ever cut for a rigging crew, it is a good thing to cut the spikes off. Courtesy. A guy bled to death when he fell on some of them. After that, the people in charge started having the fallers cut those off.

Limbing too. A guy took a bad tumble last week. I was down with him. He forgot his calks and slipped, went flying up in the air and came down partly on the log. After the cussing and answering our yells of YOU OK, he thanked his son for flush cutting the limbs. He knows of a guy who was paralyzed from the waist down when he landed with his back on a stob. Just nice and safe things to think about. I like the way you seem to listen to other folks on this site. Keep on with it.

 

[Burvol]

I know, everyone here loves a good round of "stump bashing", or "why did you do this, or that". But you you know what? You got the damn things down, good job. There are so many variables to cutting timber (confiers) and many folks here that are chainsaw nuts have no idea. One piece of advice I will say to all. If you want great control, wood pull out of the stump rather than the log, and the ability to saw a corner off accidentally or whatever, then the step is for you. A raised back cut. They're called a step up here anyway. They always go on big timber (3 foot plus) with me, every time. The difference is night and day for control and wood pull. It also elimintates root pull. The tree is locked down until it's ready to go. The bigger the tree, the bigger the step.

 

[slowp]

Perhaps we could call it Stumpology?

 

[joesawer]

I like the stumps. That will work for me.
Slowp is right, splinters and sharp stobs (pigs ears) are never good for those who come after.

 

[Jacob J.]

A raised back cut. They're called a step up here anyway. They always go on big timber (3 foot plus) with me, every time. The difference is night and day for control and wood pull. It also elimintates root pull. The tree is locked down until it's ready to go. The bigger the tree, the bigger the step.

I can't do that down here, especially on the straight-falling jobs. I have to leave the butts slicked off. The mechanics of it work well and that's what we teach to firefighters though.

 

[Burvol]

I can't do that down here, especially on the straight-falling jobs. I have to leave the butts slicked off. The mechanics of it work well and that's what we teach to firefighters though.

I have to flush butts too, just flush em up with the saw. Not much difference in sawing a sliver off or sawing a sliver off with an extra in or two of wood in my opinion.