Some alternatives?????

[OutOnaLimb]

OK guys I think we are starting to pound sand on this whole removal of healthy trees thing. Im not trying to ride both sides of the fence here, but it seems like we are starting to get at each others throats on this subject. True that some of the major reasons that people want thier trees removed is because they do not want to deal with the mess of acorns, crab apples, locust pods, sweet gum balls, or cotton catkins from cottonwoods. How many of us out there are advocating the use of Snipper to solve this problem, and those who are what are your results?

Another problem that we see is that a tree is "just gettin do ????ed big", How many of us out there are selling crown reductions with Cambistat applications? Those of you who are using this product I would like to hear some feed back. I just started using Cambistat this year and would like to know what every one else who is using it thinks.

Another issue is hazard trees. Who out there is actually cabeling trees or installing Cobra systems? On the same topic is anyone out there installing lightning protection?

Im not a left wing liberal tree hugger, but I do have a passion for trees. I do believe that there is a time and place for removals, that is pretty much the bread and butter of my business, but I am trying to expand on some of the alternitives for removals. From what I have seen and read these can be just as profitable, if not more so.

I hope I havent stirred up a hornets nest on this one, if I did, that was not my intention.

Kenn

:Monkey:

 

[jkrueger]

Originally posted by OutOnaLimb
OK guys I think we are starting to pound sand on this whole removal of healthy trees thing. Im not trying to ride both sides of the fence here,...._DELETION_
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JAK: I think these kinds of upwinds and emotional gusts are good if we all stay in the room and come to an open 'something' about it all. Thanks for taking a step to do that.
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Another problem that we see is that a tree is "just gettin do ????ed big", How many of us out there are selling crown reductions with Cambistat applications? Those of you who are using this product I would like to hear some feed back. I just started using Cambistat this year and would like to know what every one else who is using it thinks.

JAK: I started using Combistat last year, ... don't know how it is working. Had mixed results this spring. There was a tree that barely leafed out, we think it is a temp enital reaction to the product.

JAK: (cont) Personaly I'm stronger now to encourage people to NOT plant a spieces where it should be. And I'll still use Combistat in the mean time.
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Another issue is hazard trees. Who out there is actually cabeling trees or installing Cobra systems? On the same topic is anyone out there installing lightning protection?
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JAK: The cabe jobs for Cobra when suggested were declined by the client. Don't know what they did.
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Im not a left wing liberal tree hugger, but I do have a passion for trees. I do believe that there is a time and place for removals, that is pretty much the bread and butter of my business, but I am trying to expand on some of the alternitives for removals. From what I have seen and read these can be just as profitable, if not more so.

I hope I havent stirred up a hornets nest on this one, if I did, that was not my intention.

Kenn

:Monkey:

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Thanks Kenn,
Jack

 

[OutOnaLimb]

Any time Jack. I try and be openminded and look at things from both sides of the spectrum. Just trying to get a bigger scope of things here.

Kenn

 

[ORclimber]

The cobra systems I installed last year made it through the ice and snow. Don't care for the treesave as much, it's a pain to splice.

 

[OutOnaLimb]

OK, thanks for the imput guys, I guess you would rather go back to bickering about the moral aspects of removing healthy trees. I guess its like the saying goes, "if your not part of the solution, your part of the problem."

Kenn

 

[Guy Meilleur]

Never tried Snipper; if it's a systemic that works by soil drench I would love to try it.
No results from TGRs yet, too early.
Put in 2 Cobra cables last month.
A few lightning systems last year; I'd market that more if I was short of work.

I didn't mean to start a bickerfest; much more useful to talk about alternatives to removal.

 

[OutOnaLimb]

Snipper is a micro injection offered by TreeTech. It is supposed to stop the production of crab apples, sweet gum balls, locust pods and acorns. The only thing is that it needs to be applied in the spring when the trees are flowering. Tried it on some crabs and locusts. I will keep you up to date when I do a follow up this fall.

Kenn:Monkey:

 

[Guy Meilleur]

Acorns too? What about hickory and walnuts? I searched a bit but didn't find that out. With those the litter goes from nuisance toward liability; would love to try it on those. Price looks reasonable.

Marking the calendar for March 2005.

 

[redneckgleasons]

What do you charge a customer to care for a tree using Snipper? We've had several customers who wanted to remove healthy gumball trees simply because they hated dealing with the gmballs.

 

[ROLLACOSTA]

you old left wing liberal tree hugger

 

[BigJohn]

I think a tree goes from being an asset to a liability. I don't kill those trees I euthanize them. Nothing should live forever. Once a tree reaches its maturity it should be harvested and replaced with a new one.

 

[Guy Meilleur]

Originally posted by BigJohn
I think a tree goes from being an asset to a liability.

Eventually they all do, sure. in a production forest, harvesting at maturity makes sense. In the "urban forest", a mature tree is just starting to deliver good value.

An arborist's job is to maintain and increase that value.

 

[ORclimber]

IMO it's up to the property owner to decide how much risk they are willing to tolerate. And the arborist job to lay out the options, whether it's John Hopkins or Kevorkian.

 

[OutOnaLimb]

Originally posted by ORclimber
IMO it's up to the property owner to decide how much risk they are willing to tolerate. And the arborist job to lay out the options, whether it's John Hopkins or Kevorkian.

Your right ORclimber. It is up to the proberty owner. The three courses of action I offer to my customers is, #1 we can preserve the tree, stop the fruit dropping, and control the growth. or #2 we can remove the tree and be done with it. Or be passive aggressive and remove it and bring in another tree to take its place. Oh, I forgot about course of action number 4. Get an other oppinion.



Kenn

 

[OutOnaLimb]

Originally posted by redneckgleasons
What do you charge a customer to care for a tree using Snipper? We've had several customers who wanted to remove healthy gumball trees simply because they hated dealing with the gmballs.

Snipper runs about 5 bucks per BHD. Multiply that by two for your cost, then add a $75, consulting fee, and then throw in an application fee that equates to about $100 an hour. ( it only takes about 20 min to apply. This is my first year doing this, With succesful results my prices will increase.

But you can knock out about 5 trees on a weekend by your self and still make about $500.

Kenn