Thanks guys. I have talked with New England rope at TCIA some years back, I was told they would test for free. They wanted a 12" splice on each end of a length of rope with 5 ' of clear rope between the splices. That is not to bad for just New England rope. But with all of the differently kinds of rope out there that could run into some time not to say a lot of rope. In our class we are looking for a shorter way. I guess for now I'll just make another EYE to EYE splice and try to break it. 3 strand I have done for 15 years, NE safety blue 10 , but the Ultra tech ,ICE and HRC are all new and done so much differently. Maybe we best send them on tooSherrill or to Karl Kummerling