Stihl Model MS 180C, Mini Boss Won't Run

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Stihl Model MS 180C, Mini Boss

Did a lot of searches on this and did a lot of the common fixes but still not having any luck here.

Background:

Saw is about three years old and recently given to me by my father. He used several times around his home and never stored the saw with gas in it, meaning he ran the saw till it ran out of gas before storing it.

I get the saw a few months ago and use it to cut up some oak firewood for next winter. Purchased a fresh gallon of 93 octane gas and put in one 50:1 Stihl oil for the mix.

Ran the saw for the whole gallon but noticed towards the end of the gallon the saw was not idling correctly and the saw would continuously conk out when not running it. This led to may restarts. After a while of that, the saw began getting harder and harder to start until it didn’t anymore.

Things Replaced and Checked:

Fresh Gas and Oil Mix (Replaced)

Air filter (Replaced)

Pick up body filter in gas tank, (Replaced)

Fuel line, (Replaced)

Fuel vent in tank, (Checked)

Spark plug, (Replaced)

Coil (checked by pulling plug and attaching jumpers to DC meter and plug/saw frame. Meter spikes when pulling on cord. Also shocked the crap out of my hand.

Spark arrestor screen on muffler, (Checked)

Compression. (Checked by picking up saw by pull cord without cord coming out and also with an automotive screw in tester. Threads too long so had to back out to clear and therefore not getting a good seal, but read 90 PSI?

After each one of these I tried starting the saw with no success.

Carburetor took apart and cleaned all openings with carburetor cleaner.

At this point I was able to start the saw and it ran. I adjusted the carburetor screw until I was able to run the saw full throttle and let go of the trigger and the saw would idle correctly. Ran saw for about 10 minutes like this with no problems. Put saw down for one hour while setting up wood and donning protective gear. Picked up saw to cut wood and it would not start.

Installed carburetor kit with the exception of ovalish shaped metal plates (three) could only find two on the saw and they appeared to be glued in place and could not remove.

Started saw. Saw turns over on cold start 1st or 2nd pull then you kick it up a notch to warm start and pull. Saw starts immediately and then dies out immediately.

What am I overlooking here?

It appears to be starving for gas or air. I believe it to be gas.

What are those three metal plates? How do you get them out? As they appear to be solid metal, are they really necessary to replace?

Thank you,

Tim
 
I've never worked on a 180 before, but did you replace the impulse line when you replaced the fuel line? If that is bad it won't work the diaphragm and therefore won't pump any fuel. Also, you may want to get the compression checked with a tester that makes a good seal, as if it is only 90psi it is way too low. Just a couple thoughts, let me know how it turns out.
 
I've read about the impulse line on here however I'm not sure if mine has that. If so can you point it out to me?

Here are some photos.
 
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Impulse on the 180
 
Impluse line?

OK folks, silly question here, please forgive.

Is the impulse line a hose/line like the fuel line is?

Reason I'm asking is I never noticed one when I took the carburetor off. May have fallen off and I didn't notice it.

It appears to me that the white plastic ring is acting like a gasket/seal between the crankcase and the carburetor with a little plastic insert/ring that goes into the impulse orifice.

Does this ring complete the seal or is there a hose that goes between them and bridges the two together? If there is a hose/line I would think that it would have to be long or else how would you attach the two together.

Sorry for my ignorance here.
 
Any Ideas

Anyone have any ideas on the MS 180C impulse line?

Does it have one or not???

Thanks in advance
 
Anyone have any ideas on the MS 180C impulse line?

Does it have one or not???

Thanks in advance

Ultra showed you a pic indicating the impulse 'line'. There's a direct connection between the intake boot and your carb, so there's no hose.
Lake has explained a zillion times on this site how to check your carb and impulse circuit. Please do a search and I am sure the light will shine...
 
hmmmm,
I wanted to learn more about the impulse circuit.
I searched for lake and impulse circuit and came up blank.
any better terms to use for a search?
 
Ultra showed you a pic indicating the impulse 'line'. There's a direct connection between the intake boot and your carb, so there's no hose.
Lake has explained a zillion times on this site how to check your carb and impulse circuit. Please do a search and I am sure the light will shine...

Thank you. I orginally did do a search and a lot of reading, however I did not find exactly what I was looking for.

The info is much appreciated.

Tim
 

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