Summer Limb Drop On White Oak!!!

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The latest hot/humid days got me to thinking of a incident that happened to me 2 summers ago. We were doing a cabling job on a White Oak and without warning.............no crack or anything..............the limb I was standing on pulled right out of its collar.

Perfect example to be tied in 2 places!!!

This limb was every bit of 6" thick.


What causes this peculiar limb drop???
 
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No one really knows why, there have been documented cases all over the world. The conditions like you described, hot humid weather cause a tree to shed a limb for no reason. One theory that is floating around on summer limb drop is that as growth accelerates during the spring the wood cells expand but when growth is slowed due to a dry spell with humid weather the cells shrink and just can't support the new growth and the limb just drops.

Was there a defect in the limb ??? I had an Oak a long time ago do the same thing, dropped a limb right in the neighbors drive. This tree was a big old Burr Oak, healthy looking to the eye , no dead limbs. The owner got nervious and decided to have it cut down. I was surprized to find it was just a shell right at the soil line and decayed below ground. Six inches above the soil line that tree was solid.

You might want to check your Oak out a little more, based on my limited experience, it is a safe bet to say that defects in trees and this limb drop go hand in hand. Trees go through these cycles all the time and to me a sound healthy tree just doesn't shed a limb unless there is a defect somewhere in the wood.

Larry
 
No one really knows why, there have been documented cases all over the world. The conditions like you described, hot humid weather cause a tree to shed a limb for no reason. One theory that is floating around on summer limb drop is that as growth accelerates during the spring the wood cells expand but when growth is slowed due to a dry spell with humid weather the cells shrink and just can't support the new growth and the limb just drops.

Was there a defect in the limb ??? I had an Oak a long time ago do the same thing, dropped a limb right in the neighbors drive. This tree was a big old Burr Oak, healthy looking to the eye , no dead limbs. The owner got nervious and decided to have it cut down. I was surprized to find it was just a shell right at the soil line and decayed below ground. Six inches above the soil line that tree was solid.

You might want to check your Oak out a little more, based on my limited experience, it is a safe bet to say that defects in trees and this limb drop go hand in hand. Trees go through these cycles all the time and to me a sound healthy tree just doesn't shed a limb unless there is a defect somewhere in the wood.

Larry


The reasons you describe above I have heard similar results!!!


On the limb in question the area where the limb pulled out was solid. However why this tree was still alive was a head scratcher to me. The trunk is very hollowed out to the point where you can almost stand in it. The home owner wanted to keep the tree at all costs, hence the cabling!!!
 
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Interesting, it might be related to the performance of the cambium, a non-functioning cambuim isn't the right terminlogy here, but a cambium of let's say limited capacity might be a factor in limb drop.

Larry
 
Interesting, it might be related to the performance of the cambium, a non-functioning cambuim isn't the right terminlogy here, but a cambium of let's say limited capacity might be a factor in limb drop.

Larry


Cambium is a thin layer of active cells that devide to produce xylem and phloem.

One cause is that there is a temporary loss of turgidity in the cells, especially the rays, which causes weakness.

Another, or related is that there is translocation occuring then there is a calm period on a hot humid time of year. Suddenly transpiration at the leaf stops, while transport of fluids continues, then the limb is overloaded with fluids. A gust of wind causes movement that cannot be supported at the moment of bend.

With the breaking of a limb under the climber, often that is caused by some dry wood on the tension side of the area of moment. The wood is not rotten, but altered. In wood with karge ray cells this is more common because the turgor pressure helps with the cohesion of the xylem.

These first few rings shearm then the rest peel out. About 8 years ago I had an ash go like this with SLD at night. I posted pics on Russ Carlsons KnotHole and he and Scott sent me copies of the pics with red arrows showing the initial points of failure and described the probable modality of the failure.

Since then I've ben able to examine quite a few limb failures and see the pattern. Often there is a distinct reaction zone in a small part of the limb, and a wound down-stem.

If you do not ahe one, keep a lop or magnifying glass on the truck. Look at the break, and then the rings just beyond the torn fibers. Silky saws are perfect for this because the cuts are so clean.

Have fun, be curiouse!
 
Good reply JP,

I just hope I can remember all this the next time someone asks me about it. I'll have to start looking at SLD limbs more closely than in the past.

Larry
 
About 8 years ago I had an ash go like this with SLD at night. I posted pics on Russ Carlsons KnotHole and he and Scott sent me copies of the pics with red arrows showing the initial points of failure and described the probable modality of the failure. Have fun, be curiouse!
I remember that thread, and agre with your observations. I haven't seen any this season yet, wil post if I do.

Curiosity kindles the clever climber's keenness! :rockn:
 

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