taking covers off to get to limiter caps?

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Hello, this is my first post, I have learned a lot on this site and now I want to do some muffler mods to my ms460, but I want to make sure I can adjust the carb afterwards, I was wondering how do you get to the limiter caps, (how do you take the cover off)? I have searched on limiter caps and could'nt find the answer.
Also do you have to buy the duel port muffler cover, or will just opening up the side hole and taking out the baffle gain some power?
 
Fishhuntcutwood tells of a tool used for removing the caps, he or Lakeside53 can give you the part number and you can order it from a Stihl dealer.
Other talk of using a drywall screw, been there done that, don't recomend you try!!!! i made a real mess of things that way!
I am not sure of what to do with the muffler, I am not familier with it, FHCW claims good gains with just the new cover, I am sure others will chime in here.
Welcome to AS:clap:
Andy
 
On the muffler question, both ways will work. The difference is if you need a spark arrester or not. If you are going to use this as a woods saw you will need to have spark arresters on both openings. If you are just building a toy you can just open the old cover up. Or you can build a seperate muffler and have it both ways. I have not messed with the limiter caps on the newer Sthil's but the ones I have seen are usually just a plastic stop on the high speed and low speed screws that are easyly remove-able
 
I will be able to get the caps off, its just getting to them that I cant figure out, I can take the rubber grommet off the cover but I cant get past that to get to the caps?
 
To remove the limiter caps, I used a dental pick with a 90 degree bend at one end. I trimmed the end so there was about 3/16" left. Poke it in the slot & pull. The limiter cap is suppose to be turned all the way either to the right or left in order to remove. My local dealer told me he uses the small screwdriver used for adjusting carbs by cutting a small notch in the side, also about 3/16 " down the side. You need to remove the entire cover off the top of the saw by removing the 2 star screws on each side of the cover.
 
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Let me ask my question another way If I wanted to get to the carb, how do I take off all the plastic covers so I can see the carb? Do I take off the intake bell to take off the black plastic cover under the air filter, I dont want to pull on something and break anything. I cant even see the limiter caps yet I'm still trying to get to the carb.
 
Pull your rubber grommet deal out and look down in there. You'll see two red slot heads. Those are your limiter caps. You'll need some extra light, so shine a light down in there, and turn each in whatever direction you need to in order to see the little tang on each cap line up with the little slot in the carb's body. As you see the tang line up with the slot, you can easily pull the caps off. You may have to put some back into it, but pull, and they'll come out. This will expose your actual carb screws. Cut or sand or grind or whatever the tangs off the caps and you're good to go. It's not a bad idea to have a handfull of extra caps as well. They're dirt cheap from your dealer.

I recommend the proper limiter cap tool from Stihl. At least for myself, as I'm adjusting my carbs, and playing with things often enough to justify the proper tool for the job. That, and the tool costs about $5, so it's cheap as well, and it'll save you the headaches of the sheet metal screw technique and all that. The P/N is 5910 890 4500 A. (I think it's "5910." It's kinda worn off of mine.) It's a left hand thread, so you'll thread it into the caps counter-clockwise. Some dealers will tell you they can't find it, or it's not available, or it doesn't exist or whatever. That's BS. Stay on them until they get it, or find a dealer that can.

As for the dual port cover. It's the best bolt-on power in the chainsaw industry. It jives with warrantee, it takes two minutes to install and you're good to go. I've got one on every saw of mine that will take one. I also increase the hole on the dual port cover as well as the hole on the back shell. Don't get crazy with it, but using some common sense will get you in the ball park. I recommend it as well. It's about $30 from a dealer and is nothing but good for your saw. The P/N 1128 140 0801. Again, some dealers don't even know about it. Stick with him until he gets you one, or find a dealer that will.

Welcome to AS.

Jeff
 
huntingbob said:
Let me ask my question another way If I wanted to get to the carb, how do I take off all the plastic covers so I can see the carb? Do I take off the intake bell to take off the black plastic cover under the air filter, I dont want to pull on something and break anything. I cant even see the limiter caps yet I'm still trying to get to the carb.

You can get to/remove the carb by removing the two 8mm nuts that show up underneath the filter. Pull those and start taking things apart. Nothing will break if you take your time, and work through it. Don't force anything, and you'll have it apart in no time. Those two nuts are all that hold the carb on, so beyond them, it's just undressing things.

Jeff
 
yes pics would be great. I didnt know I had to do all the work through the hole where the rubber grommet sits, I thought I could get right down next to the carb. Thanks
 
hunting bob, don't despair. I went thru the same thing with my MS200. They probably are nowhere near the same but I had to remove the 2 nuts that holds the carb on , after blowing all the sawdust out. I took a pair of needlenose pliars to pull the limiter caps straight off the scew. Then took a file and completly rounded off all the stops. BUT REMEMBER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 2 ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SAWS, but it sounds like you have the little rubber gizmos that shield the caps like I did.
GregH
 
limiters

Take the rubber gromit off,then that a sharp small chisel and cut off the high spot.Cant think of a better word than high spot but you will see it.
Ed
 
I have heard that if you take off the limiter caps that the carb will not stay tuned as the needles will move (no springs). Is this true? I have a Husy 359 and was wondering?
 
Evin's question

Hi Evin. You would probably be better off just removing the tabs off of the caps. The caps act as kind of a guide to help hold your adjustment screwdriver in place. The actual heads of the adjustment screws are a pretty small target. You would probably catch hell trying to tune the carb while the saw was running. Greg from Bailey's brought this to my attention.
 
Evin said:
I have heard that if you take off the limiter caps that the carb will not stay tuned as the needles will move (no springs). Is this true? I have a Husy 359 and was wondering?

I have a Husky 232R brushcutter. I opened up the muffler on it, and completely removed the limiter caps - used a razor blade to slice the plastic. Once the plastic was split (cut), I used a pair of needle nose pliers to remove the plastic caps and the wire snaps that hold them on to the adjustment screws. My carb had springs on the adjustment screws, so I haven't had ANY troubles with them backing off and losing their settings. Works like a dream now.

The damn tree huggers and idiot homeowners of the world have forced the manufacturers to put such lame devices on small engines today to keep emissions down and prevent engine destruction from improper adjustment - all they have really done is create more work for us :hmm3grin2orange:
 

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