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Once again TCI magazine has dropped the ball....
I misplaced my copy so I can't give the page or even month, though it was a very recent issue.... Somebody help with that please....
TCI published diagrams of a conventional notch, a Humboldt, and an open face.... Well they got the conventional and Humboldt right, but did arborists a great disservice by diagramming an open face notch to look like a conventional and Humboldt put together... That is a 90* notch, with 45* cut above and 45* cut below horizontal.... To me, making such a huge error on such a basic technique shows just how completely out of touch the magazine is with the day to day reality of doing tree work.... The publisher and staff should be ashamed of publishing such gross misinformation. A great opportunity to give valuable and practical knowledge was missed....
Since I started using an open face notch with a tapered hinge, I have increased many fold my felling accuracy and confidence.... These two techniques have made a huge difference in my productivity and profitability. The "peek-a-boo through the kerf" floor of the face cut is probably the greatest advantage of the open face in that it prevents bypass cut and therefore Dutchmans. That cut is made possible by the 70* from horizontal angled first cut on the face.... Starting with the 70* downward cut also makes using the gunning lines easy, accurate and practical. All of that went right over TCI's head!!!
It’s clear and somewhat sad, and at the same time understandable that TCI mag knows a lot more about marketing etc... than about chainsaw techniques and other day to day practicalities of tree work... They are in the business of selling our eyeballs to advertisers and not touching trees.
I used to look forward to reading it much more so than I do now. And I have always been surprised at how little practical information on progressive techniques the magazine provides. I have found this and other sites to be a great source of such practical information... So anymore, I tend to skim the mag for tidbits of info and to check out the ads, and I come here to learn and share.
There are of course exceptions to the above judgments. For example Guy Meilleur wrote, in the April 2003 TCI, a piece on making pruning cuts after storm damage. Arborists that are now cleaning up after Isabel would do well to read it. Guy both writes for TCI and is a regular contributor here. I Am grateful to have a man of his knowledge and experience sharing so freely on this forum. And I believe he recently shared that he is still climbing on a taught line hitch, which is the oldest of old school... (Guy try at least switching to the Blakes hitch.... you'll like it)
TCI would do well to put 6-10 arborists like Tom Dunlap on their editorial staff.... I think that there is a large population of arborists that do not spray or inject and are strictly into pruning, cabling and removal... And the vast majority of these are still using old school techniques... These ones aren't interested in Pest or business management... All TCI needs to do is a search of AS to find some fertile material for dishing out some excellent and practical knowledge to the average guy with a chainsaw out there....
 
Excellent observations Murphy and great recommendations.

Many industry rags start out well representing then tend to tilt towards the interests of the advertisers, filling more space with glossy spreads, reducing meaty content.

Our small town newspaper (the legal rag) has become a tourist guide for B&B's, Latte cafes, and real estate - yet still wins statewide awards for "excellence in journalism". Last week's issue had zero news, local or national but headlines were for a private antique and classic car auction.

An advisory board with Tom, Guy, even perhaps Wilfowhat'shis and a weekly highlight with a cross section of locals here would certainly beef-up the rag. Build trust at the same time.
 
Good suggestion Daniel, in fact i woulda assumed that..........:eek:

Nice analasys of wide mouth (i think someone charraiciturized it as 'bird's beak') face. The spread of the faces also logically grant longest span of time of controlled sweep guiding speed and direction(after that it is a free agent), logically; the only time i don't use it is when i need early tear off to throw through a barrier (tree top, hill etc.) where by making it impossible for head to be stalled while tree is still on hinge (very bad, in this case i want to just throw the tree away cleanly not hold on to it and try to guide/slow it). i think it is also safer to hit (and have that to aim for) the apex of the FaceCuts (than in other FaceCuts), and that gives better folding too IMLHO. IMLHO Open and Humblodt cuts don't need step catches in the face the same as Conventional.

Mechanically that (hitting apex of faces)places hinge pivot back further than other options of pivot position in the same face, giving slightly more lean, accessing more of available leverage, lessening flexing etc. to force a stronger hinge, that doesn't have to travel as far i think. The extra power given to pull like this can be adjusted to fast/weak or slow/strong just as with any machine/leverage. The BackCut sets the time (till faces meet which is set by spread of faces etc.), so a slow BackCut/hinge movement with the extra pull makes a strong hinge (as averse to a weaker/faster hinge in this lever-age).

Many good points to WideMouth/OpenFace; sorry to hear they 'dropped the ball'!
 
Originally posted by murphy4trees
Once again TCI magazine has dropped the ball....
The publisher and staff should be ashamed of publishing such gross misinformation. A great opportunity to give valuable and practical knowledge was missed....
Murph, you need to post a detailed correction to the editor. they will read it and they will try to get the right info out there. imo you should phrase it as a followup and avoid criticizing.
It’s clear and somewhat sad, and at the same time understandable that TCI mag knows a lot more about marketing etc... And I have always been surprised at how little practical information on progressive techniques the magazine provides., I tend to skim the mag for tidbits of info and to check out the ads, and I come here to learn and share.
Murph you do the mag and youself a disservice. The articles are worth more than a skim, and the reason there are few on practical info is that few are submitted by arborists! They are receptive--give it a shot!
Guy Meilleur wrote, in the April 2003 TCI, a piece on making pruning cuts after storm damage.
To their credit, TCI made sure my appraoach passed ANSI review before publishing it. It came out looking like crap because I didn't insert the photos myself; I thought that was the editor's job. I was wrong--it's up to the writer to format to best make the case. Followup will be sent to Arborist News per their suggestion; I would have sent the first one to them but they don't pay and I ain't rich.
I think that there is a large population of arborists that aren't interested in Pest or business management... All TCI needs to do is a search of AS to find some fertile material for dishing out some excellent and practical knowledge to the average guy with a chainsaw out there....
NONONO first off you gotta know about all tree care approaches if you want to grow and sell your own. Second, it's not up to the mag to search for article material; it's up to those who develop the material to submit it.
If the author lacks the confidence to put it out there, the editors figure it ain't ready yet. So yes both mags are dominated by articles from U people that have that instant--and not always deserved-- credibility (and need to publish to grow their careers.) Not the mag's fault others don't submit.
 
Re: Re: Re: TCI mag drops the ball

Originally posted by TREETX
Some don't feel the need to submit to that publication. Mags recruit articles, not JUST advertisers.
Hard reality is, they, ISA, TCIA etc. mags have to pay for themselves. If TCI didn't advertise they couldn't pay. If they didn't pay I might never have written the thing I sent in.
BTW, WTF does snow plowing have to do with tree care???
We can tell you're from TX. It's called eating for a WI tree guy with truck payments. Even a TX guy can pick up diversification tips from that kind of article. We all may ignore 90% of the ads because we don't need that stuff. :alien:
The first thing I do when I get the daily newpaper is to throw half of it away. The rest is still worth reading. This reminds me of critics of ISA Cert who complain they never got anything out of it, after three years of putting nothing in but a few bucks. If all the critics of mag content showed us what should be in there by sending in printable articles that's be great. :cool:
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TCI mag drops the ball

Originally posted by TREETX
I understand the snow plow thing. I say the Simpsons episode with "Mr. Plow"...... :D
Yeah that was funny. 17 years ago I moved form WI to stay away from winter work. Haven't looked back.


Yup, that is what I do since 90+% of the mag is advertisements... [/B]
Most of my inbox is spam but I still keep the screen on, and go through the rest.
 
The way I see it is I still have to defend Genetec, Abiomed, and Amgen's contributions to mapping the genome and design quick-fixes for abberations in the genetic structures but that doesn't mean I have to agree with their boards of directors or executive pay scales.
 
TreeTx wrote:

Yup, that is what I do since 90+% of the mag is advertisements...

90% of the posts on AS are worthless but I still check in here after the other two arbo sites. I don't want to miss out on the 10% pay dirt.

TCI mag pays pretty well for articles. Check out what the pay is for the article from the field.

Snow plows have as much to do about tree work as the annual chipper and stump grinder review. How about the annual review of trucks? You can get better info at the dealer. But, you know what, there's no charge to turn the pages. :)

Tom
 
I'm glad I get TCI magazine. For me, it's worth my time to read it. I can't speak about the specific article on the different "undercuts" (as Dent would phrase it), but, I think it shows we need to be on top of the information to pick out what is agreed to be right or wrong. Nuances can be sorted out.

I kept many issues of TCI magazine and found them helpful researching a topic. I found the Bartlett people contributed more to the magazine than I realized. This was a good thing.
However, since Pete Donzellis' fatal accident, the technical info I cherished has practically disappeared from the scene. This is bad for those of us whose daily grind depends on applying technical prowess in the trees.

Joe
 
Originally posted by murphy4trees

Since I started using an open face notch with a tapered hinge, I have increased many fold my felling accuracy and confidence....


What do you mean by a 'tapered' hinge?

Mahk
 
Okay. sic'em Spydy!:p

Mahk, There are several threads on hinges and felling techniques complete with pics and descriptions. A tapered hinge means one in which a greater thickness of holding wood is left on one side than the other in order to compensate for a lean or to steer the tree as it falls.
 
I’ll be the first to admit that we occasionally drop the ball here at Tree Care Industry magazine. With deadlines, a small staff and 1,000 pages of magazine a year, sometimes things slip through our fingers.

In the case of the mislabeled notch mentioned by Mr. Murphy, I can’t tell if he is correct or not. I can’t find the article refers to, and without a specific month, issue or writer, I can’t provide a response. Are you sure the article appeared in our magazine?

As for the rest of his comments, we are not in the business of “selling eyeballs to advertisers.” We are the official publication of the nonprofit Tree Care Industry Association. Our goal is to serve as a resource for commercial arboriculture, as well as for others involved in the care and maintenance of trees. Unlike other publications, you won’t find articles in our magazine written by vendors or their public relations people. We pay writers to write to avoid any appearance of conflict of interest.

As publishers, we do our best to keep up with developments in the field. We’ve had articles offering “progressive techniques and practical information” from Mark Chisholm, Guy Meilleur, Tom Dunlap, Ken Palmer, Tim Jackson, Tim Walsh and a host of others. Would we like more? Certainly, but most arborists are too busy working in trees to write articles. Even though we pay more than any other publication in the industry, we don’t pay as much as tree work.

I have three requests, Mr. Murphy. (1.) Please identify the article in which you think we dropped the ball so we can respond in detail; (2.) feel free to contact me if you would like to write an article -- and get paid; and (3) encourage others to share their knowledge in the industry's largest circulation publication for the good of the trees and the safety of its practitioners.
 
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Originally posted by Garvin

I have three requests, Mr. Murphy. (1.) Please identify the article
Yo Murph, the ball is definitely in your court. Details, man!
(3) encourage others to share their knowledge in the industry's largest circulation publication for the good of the trees and the safety of its practitioners.
This is right on. TCI is open and fair and esy to deal with. People want and need to hear and see what's going on in the trees.:Eye: Several posters on AS can do this; if you doubt you can, collaborate with another arborist and split the money (that's what I did).
And re the posts stating that 90% of the mag is ads, I counted the pages of one issue and it was under 40%. Critical comments carry no weight when they're hyperbolized:blush:
 
Ditto, more of a Cosmo person mys-elf; has increased my attention span marvelously while reading more itneresting articles. Even makes me think that all advertising might not be toooooo bad.

Orrrrrrr something like that!
:alien:

And i have seen lots more 'diluted' industry 'rags' than TCI!
 
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What does "not to go off topic" mean anyway???
And does anyone out there have that article handy????
And I AM glad to hear from Garvin and welcome you to AS... We are the people.... It takes time and interest, and if you'd like to find out something about what arborists from around the world think, you'll find it here on AS....
My recommendation would be that you put Tom Dunlap on a salaried position as an editor and get his input on submissions... Tom knows trees, arborists, gear, techniques, rules and regs etc... He could be invaluable to you... You might also find some other highly experienced arborists that are retiring from active duty to serve as part time consultants/editors.... You'll need to look around to find the right people....
I don't mean to slam TCI mag, as I have enjoyed many a good read over the years. And you might take some feedback from what's been posted on this thread, and think about some new ways. Keeping everyone happy all the time may be near impossible, and there are countless ways of improving your operation, no matter what you do.
I Am thankful for TCI mag... and since finding the internet arborists' forums, I've spent a lot more time here than there.
 
288, Making the backcut even with the back of the notch makes for the smoothest /easiest release. Making it a couple of inches up requires a little more force to get things moving (or a slightly thinner hinge) but maintains control over the spar further into its fall AND helps prevent kickback over the top of the stump. I too prefer to make my backcuts a little above the apex of the notch.:)
 

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