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There seems to be a slowdown in milling threads lately, and I can understand why -- who wants to run a CSM on a hot August day ? I would rather wait until fall when the weather is cooler.

But, my woodcutting permit is only valid for 30 days, so I gotta get while the getting is good, hot or not.

Loggers thinned this area a couple years back, and as often happens after thinning, more wind whistles through the forest and blows down some of the remaining trees. This 19" doug fir was blown down during the winter. It was on nearly level ground, and "only" 30 yards from a logging road, but the brush and slash made it seem farther.
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Typically I get three 12 foot logs out of a blowdown, but this tree had a deformed, bent spot about 20 feet up, so I ended with one good milling log, one small log for a 8x8 post, and a fair amount of green firewood.

Instead of milling each log one at a time, I first did the slabbing cut on all the logs -- well, all two of the logs. That reduces my setup time, because I only have to set up the Alaskan for the slabbing cut one time.

By the way, the haze in the sky is not clouds, it's smoke from wildfires across the river in Oregon.
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The e-clip fell off the Stihl's sprocket, losing the clutch bearing in the process. I've learned the hard way to carry spares in my field kit, so the Stihl was back in service quickly.
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This is the small log that will become an 8x8 post. After making its first slabbing cut, I turned it 90 degrees and made the second slabbing cut. Once again, the idea was to minimize set up time by doing all the slabbing cuts at once.

In this picture I am about to make the first 8" cut. Then I'll turn the log and make the other 8" cut. Once again, the idea is to minimize set up time by doing all the 8" cuts at once. It's just common sense, but it took me a year to figure that out.
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By noon I was dragging because of the heat and sun and insects, so I was too tired to take any more pictures. :cry: I finished milling the two logs, bucked the rest into firewood, and carried/drug it through 30 yards of brush to the truck. There was still time to start on another tree, but I was pooped, and called it a day.
 
Great pics!!!!

Been too hot for me too....The temp here in Ky. isnt bad but so humid....I sweat to death just standing around not doing a thing ...
I been to Oregon a few times in my life,,and my friend told me that lives in Coos Bay you have to have a permit just to cut a tree outta your property...Why???? With the ice storm that rolled tru here last winter if I had to have a permit to cut a tree down I would be bankrupt..Here if you cut on fed land like the Daniel Boone Nat. Forrest,,yes,,you have to go tru channels to do so but to cut a tree down in your own yard,,,farm?? Thats insane.....
It's funny how much the west coast is like a diffrent world...So pretty there but here alot of hardwoods...I have 60 achers here and just 1 pine tree on my place..
Thank you for the pics....Looked like a goodday you had,,,and hard work but look what you ended with..... :clap:
 
There seems to be a slowdown in milling threads lately, and I can understand why -- who wants to run a CSM on a hot August day ? I would rather wait until fall when the weather is cooler.

It's premium milling weather in Oz and I'm stuck in Europe on business haven't touched a CS in two weeks, getting kind of twitchy . . . . . and have another week to go!

RE: The e-clip fell off the Stihl's sprocket, losing the clutch bearing in the process.
Been thinking about this and whether a different kind of E clip would be worth designing?

Anyway thanks for posting your picks MG.
 
I hear you on the heat. Last week it hit 117*F or 45C on the humidex. :eek: It isn't supposed to get that hot up here, when it comes to hot weather I'm like a walrus, made for the cold weather :laugh:

Nice milling pictures. I'm surprised you're allowed to still cut given how dry things are these days.
 
RE: The e-clip fell off the Stihl's sprocket, losing the clutch bearing in the process.
Been thinking about this and whether a different kind of E clip would be worth designing?

I think an external snap ring would be more secure since it would grab 80-90% of the groove, but I'm not sure if there would be clearance against the washer for the little "ears" on the ring. I guess a guy could try bending them up slightly. I might try this just for kicks since I already have the 066 sitting downstairs with the bar & clutch cover off.
 
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I think an external snap ring would be more secure
I like that idea.

. I'm surprised you're allowed to still cut given how dry things are these days.
Actually, the administrative aid was reluctant to issue the permit because of the fire hazard, but as usual, I begged and whined until I got my way. They may issue a woodcutting ban any day now, though. We get banned about every other summer.

I forgot to mention that I sealed these slabs with Bailey's Seal, instead of the usual latex paint. Baiely's seal appears to be a water based wax. Time will tell how well it works.
 
Thanks for the pics, never done milling before but your pics have inspired me. Seems like something i'd enjoy.

Hot as He(( here too, but cooling weather supposed to be on the way :clap:

Stay cool, Gene
 
They put us at a level 3-extreme so the fire truck goes every where the mill does until they take it to level 4 and shut the woods. We had a couple days where I was milling in 110* and 111* weather. It has cooled back down into the 90’s and is much more pleasant to mill in. I got a couple milling jobs lined up over on the coast for the next time we get a heat wave. It was almost chilly over there this weekend.
What do you carry for fire protection? Just the basic hand tools, five gallons of water and a 10lb extinguisher?
 
They put us at a level 3-extreme so the fire truck goes every where the mill does until they take it to level 4 and shut the woods. We had a couple days where I was milling in 110* and 111* weather. It has cooled back down into the 90’s and is much more pleasant to mill in. I got a couple milling jobs lined up over on the coast for the next time we get a heat wave. It was almost chilly over there this weekend.
What do you carry for fire protection? Just the basic hand tools, five gallons of water and a 10lb extinguisher?

I didn't know it got that hot over there ?

Actually, it rarely gets above 85 on my mountain, but when you are in the sun, it feels much hotter. I am just not accustomed to the heat.

Fire protection ?:crazy1: Is that a state law in Oregon ? I'm not aware of any legal requirements for fire fighting equipment on state land here -- that's not to say that such laws don't exist, but my permit doesn't say anything about it, and I don't carry any fire protection. They do routinely make the loggers go on "hoot owl" shift, or shut logging down all together, and shut down firewood cutting, too.

In the unlikely event that my chainsaw starts a fire, I imagine I would just stomp it out. If that didn't work, I'd call it in, and they'd have planes on it within the hour. Of course, I wouldn't mention that I started it, :jawdrop:

There is a state fire fighting training camp about 7 miles away from me. We get lightning caused fires just about every summer. This area seems to be a magnet for thunderstorms.

Most of the local fires are caused by lightning. Cigarettes are probably the 2nd leading cause. Flat tires on trailers have caused a few. Can't say that I recall a wildfire being started by a chainsaw, so I don't know why they make a fuss about woodcutting. Probably just don't want any cigarette smoking woodcutters roaming through the forest.
 
It's premium milling weather in Oz and I'm stuck in Europe on business haven't touched a CS in two weeks, getting kind of twitchy . . . . . and have another week to go!

RE: The e-clip fell off the Stihl's sprocket, losing the clutch bearing in the process.
Been thinking about this and whether a different kind of E clip would be worth designing?

Anyway thanks for posting your picks MG.

Coming on 30 years since Stihl school, CRS is not real bad , Yet.

There is a stamped side and a cut side to the E-clip , the stamped side is slightely more round, and the cut side more squared off.

The clip hold slightly better with the squired side out, for 0.02 cents worth. :cheers:
 
For the record, I tried the snap ring idea tonight. The ones I have of the appropriate diameter are not nearly beefy enough to keep the washer on even as well as the E-Clip. The snap ring is so narrow that it barely protrudes past the groove in the crank, except for the tabs. If I could find stronger snap rings I'd definitely give it a go though, looks like there should be plenty of clearance around the clutch drum washer. The only downside is that it would require yet one more tool to be brought along, whereas an E-Clip only needs a flathead screwdriver to remove.
 
We set some records this last week, however we normally have a half dozen 100* plus days each summer.
Each of the fire levels has different requirements, whether you are on national forest, BLM or private forestlands. Right now chainsaws are restricted to a landing with a fire truck, and the high performance exhaust are not allowed, a quick shot extinguisher is required to be near the saw as well, and they can only be in use from 8:00pm till 10:00am. With a one hour, fire watch after the saw is shut down. Chainsaws do start fires when the hot exhaust is in the sawdust, or when the chain throughs sparks.
The shovel, axe, and water are required to drive up in the woods.
You sure do not want to get the bill for that tanker that has to fly in even if it never drops anything on the fire.
 
It's premium milling weather in Oz and I'm stuck in Europe on business haven't touched a CS in two weeks, getting kind of twitchy . . . . . and have another week to go!

RE: The e-clip fell off the Stihl's sprocket, losing the clutch bearing in the process.
Been thinking about this and whether a different kind of E clip would be worth designing?

Anyway thanks for posting your picks MG.

Ha there Bob,i have been thinking the same thing about them pesky e-clips,i had problems getting the clip off my 880,even broke one doing it.On the washer under the e-clip there is a step then a tapper going to the outside diameter.I machined the step away by changing the angle to make it easyer to remove the e-clip,this my not be the best thing to do but we will see what happens,if no good i took mesurement so i can make a new one if i have too.
Cheers
Andrew
PS the Stihl e-clip is 1.6mm thick,i have had truble finding them,they all seam to be 1.2mm thick.Maybe a cerclip set up may be better.
 
RE: The e-clip fell off the Stihl's sprocket, losing the clutch bearing in the process.
Been thinking about this and whether a different kind of E clip would be worth designing?

If anything can be designed to improve the clip falling off I'm sure you can Bob :)
Still have to get you some of that Chinese Elm and Desert Wattle. Haven't forgotten!
 
You sure do not want to get the bill for that tanker that has to fly in even if it never drops anything on the fire.
For sure. The state has tried to bill motorists who accidentally started fires with a flat trailer tire. Of course, the state never collects, since fire fighting cost millions.

I'm glad I don't live in Oregon. Too many rules.

On the washer under the e-clip there is a step then a tapper going to the outside diameter.I machined the step away by changing the angle to make it easyer to remove the e-clip,this my not be the best thing to do but we will see what happens
This won't help you much in Oz, but the washers sold by Baileys are 10x easier to install than Stihl washers.

The clip hold slightly better with the squired side out
I'll take a close look at that next time.

I tried the snap ring idea tonight. The ones I have of the appropriate diameter are not nearly beefy enough to keep the washer on even as well as the E-Clip. The snap ring is so narrow that it barely protrudes past the groove in the crank, except for the tabs. If I could find stronger snap rings I'd definitely give it a go though, looks like there should be plenty of clearance around the clutch drum washer. The only downside is that it would require yet one more tool to be brought along, whereas an E-Clip only needs a flathead screwdriver to remove.
Darned. I guess the snap rings have to be narrow or else they couldn't flex. And I bet Stihl chose the e-clips purposely so that they could be serviced with only a scrench (and some cussing).
 
Its interesting that you folks in the PNW are hot and dry while here in Pa we've had a cooler, wetter summer than normal. I think that we've had a handful of days above 90*F, and the humidity has been lower than most summers as well.

I've had the Alaskan out and slabbed some DF and Red Elm. I can handle it until it gets above about 85*, and then its time to do something less strenuous. I've spent more time on the bandsaw mill, but that's hard work, too.
 
Its interesting that you folks in the PNW are hot and dry while here in Pa we've had a cooler, wetter summer than normal. I think that we've had a handful of days above 90*F, and the humidity has been lower than most summers as well.

I've had the Alaskan out and slabbed some DF and Red Elm. I can handle it until it gets above about 85*, and then its time to do something less strenuous. I've spent more time on the bandsaw mill, but that's hard work, too.

Last week we had a high in Portland of 107. It was insane. My family is staying with a friend until we can move into our house later this month and his house is 100 yr old with no AC. The thermostat downstairs said 95 and upstairs was about 5 deg hotter.

Forget about too hot to mill. That is too hot to do anything but we are not used to hot up here in rainland.
 

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