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Thankee ms and mr

Been more then a few outfits hiring all around here, all out of my range (Oly, and pinninsula areas)... but makes me think a bit... I would like some yarder experience anyway.

Keep seeing em for sale at reasonable prices, but not really sure if thats a good direction for me to go... financially yes, work load yes, pulling it off with no real yarder experience maybe not.
 
Please choose who you work for carefully! I have seen some pretty scary outfits that made me nervous to even be around, and had some close calls when I had to be amongst them.
 
Taint no one local enough hiring (or really still in business...) have to go up to the kanukia border, or down past Oly, there may be some in Enumclaw area, but otherwise all the yarder crews I know of around here have pretty much shut down.

The crew I know that do work near here are based out of Whatcom, putting people up in motels and stuff.
 
northmanlogging said:
Thankee ms and mr

Been more then a few outfits hiring all around here, all out of my range (Oly, and pinninsula areas)... but makes me think a bit... I would like some yarder experience anyway.

Keep seeing em for sale at reasonable prices, but not really sure if thats a good direction for me to go... financially yes, work load yes, pulling it off

with no real yarder experience maybe not.
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Humptulips is retired. There aren't many people who know the yarder game better than him. Hire him to help you out while you're learning.
 
northmanlogging said:
Taint no one local enough hiring (or really still in business...) have to go up to the kanukia border, or down past Oly, there may be some in Enumclaw area, but otherwise all the yarder crews I know of around here have pretty much shut down.

The crew I know that do work near here are based out of Whatcom, putting people up in motels and stuff.
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The one place I drive by when I go to town seems to keep its yarders working steady. I think I only saw their Madills parked during the first part of the 2009 crash. They keep them working. The big yarder comes and goes and was parked behind the shop yesterday.
 
Gologit said:
Humptulips is retired. There aren't many people who know the yarder game better than him. Hire him to help you out while you're learning.
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The thought had occurred to me...

Would need to get some yarder ground lined up. Been looking into logging for the FS and DNR lately. Figure its the best way to go full time, nice big tracts, guaranteed checks, and like I said no one local here has a yarder anymore, pretty much all shovel logging, the yarders get moved a 100 miles or more when they are needed. Pretty sure I'll need DEEP pockets to get work from the FS, but DNR has contract work that is right up my alley, just need to get that SFI stuff out of the way, and show a profit once in three years...

Found more then a couple yarders for reasonable prices, even found an old Eco Logger on a Timber Jack...
 
If you buy any timber on USFS lands, beware of SBA (Small Business Administration) sales. Those sales require you to deliver logs to mills that meet the small business requirements. Those small mills have been bought up by the big companies and it is nearly impossible to find mills (in our area) that logs can be sold to. You might already know that, but thought I'd bring it up.

More that you probably know. I'd heard major complaints about insurance for each worker--workman's comp? equaling the wage paid per hour. One guy was mulling the idea of only using his yarder crew in Oregon, and bidding only on skidder/shovel jobs here. That and it being hard to keep a good crew together, were the big complaints.
 
Yeah L+I is something like 18 and hour for yarder crews, I get an update for it every year but don't pay much attention to it.

The FS stuff is a pain in the ass to get signed up for, and they want a guy to but the timber outright, then it has to go to certain mills, and meet certain specs. Bunch of baloney really.

DNR has a few restrictions as well but nothing like the FS.

I believe there are still a hand full of mills around here that are considered "small business".

What would be ideal for me is to get in with a mill and have contract work through them... Most of the DNR sales (most more like all) go through 3-4 buyers, SP, H Bros, Weyco, and a couple of local outfits. And they are large multi million dollar sails. Granted the logger is only going to see a fraction of that, but work is work.
 
Tread the SBA road carefully. It can bite you. Our contracting officer waived the requirements after yet another mill was bought up by a conglomerate. The nearest mill that met the small business requirements was a 3 to 4 hour haul--one way distance after Centralia Sawmill was bought out.
 
Be careful of contracting to a mill. What I am cutting belongs to a certain mill. If I was cutting for myself I could sell these exact logs to a different mill only six miles further away for 30-60% more per truckload.
 
Navy has a new forester on the Kitsap side of the water. Talked to her a while back. Seems really sharp. They have a pretty good program going there, especially the public access to firewood. We have a lot more trouble with that because so much gets stolen.
 

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