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Nickrosis

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oakwilt:

Certainly there are risks, and no one could imagine the horror of a job-site accident involving one's son...but think about the nature of what else is out there. Your boy clerking at a convenience store and getting shot by an ice-freak, or driving a city bus and being jacked by a gangbanger. Trying to score a few extra bucks for school and being coerced into a smut film role, dealing a little smack on the side for pocket money. Working at an investment firm for a brokerage house. Being implicated in a rape at one of the Service academies, etc. etc.

There's pride in watching your son evolve into a dedicated worker, in a field that's honorable and a bit resistant to the pervasive greed woven into American business society. It's a dedicated service industry, not a manufacturing of junk-and-useless-trinket establishment. Certainly it's inherently dangerous but that's your job to make certain he learns all he can from someone who knows how suddenly things can go wrong. He'll get hurt most certainly, we all do to some degree but those accidents teach, textbooks can only hint of what could possible transpire. Experience. The best teacher.

Maas said "Having kids myself, I gotta think it's scary seeing him do this risky work. I hope my kids don't want to get into this stuff." I understand that - my son works with me. I deferred teaching him the 020T use for years - until necessity mandated it. He's the only one I trust using my climbing saw and that's not because of sand and grit ruining it - it's because he knows physics now and understands Murphy well - taught by experience, not a book or a classroom. WE got a foot in the door to their future, I'm not talking about funding four or more years of academic endeavors - we're greasing the skids for something they can eveolve into if they so choose. WE're luckey we have that opportunity I believe.

Reading all the posts and knowing tree people - in disagreement or not - we're a bunch that I feel our spawn is lucky to have an opportunity with. Gone are the days when we could inherit Dad's job at the big auto maker or farm in our Pa's footsteps...America has changed and certainly not for the better in many ways. Tree's are a very honorable profession and we should give chance for our own to step into it.

Be careful out there, and love what you do.



netree

Now that was said about as good as it gets, oakwilt.

My son, 16, works with me, and it's good to see him "learning the ropes". He still isn't using saws, but he handles the ropes for me on the ground, and is getting better at understanding when to do certain things and why.

He leaned a valuable lesson the other day on why you should feed the chipper from the side... he got a nice lil chunk about 3" square right in the you-know-whats. Hurt like hell I imagine, but now he has more respect for both the equipment and my instructions, and the odds of him getting SERIOUSLY hurt have probably just gone down incredibly.

I see nothing wrong with a kid learning the value of good work ethics, and EARNING a living, not just being handed one.
 
I should have added that between his schooling and social life, and my immense workload, it's about the only time we get to spend together. :p
 
Hi Nick, I was just thinking "Where has Nick Crawford been?" and logged on to find your post. Welcome back!:)
 
An honor

Nickrosis is back. Nick (in Ripon) and myself were talking Saturday and wondering what had become of the "other Nick".

The tree profession is perhaps (as we may see it) "the last frontier". There is excitement, new limbs on every climb, and Ma Nature still has the upper hand.

I have three boys. You're darn tootin I hope at least one of them will join Dad. I'd like to think I have some control over those young minds!

I started doing this on my own. My Dad is a drunk. Not even a good bartender anymore. Good thing I got an education and didn't "inherit" the family business, huh?!

As I ponder where Tree Releaf is going tomorrow, I search for answers that bring me back to one theme - people with heart. When I find them, I want them around me. I believe that is what makes our profession stand out. To hang out and live in the trees makes every day worth living.

So will I steer any of my boys my direction? I will do what any father wants for his loved ones - give them a chance to KNOW their hearts - and we tree people have big hearts. Now let's not get into the thickness of our skulls! There we (I anyway) need professional help!

Gopher :D
 
I just pulled these two out of another thread because I was thinking about this topic a lot today. In fact, I told myself I would post about it on ArboristSite after not having posted here for months.

On Saturday, two of my brothers and I went to the middle of the state where we cleaned up our church's campsite. While I was there, I began to appreciate the family affair that our business really is. Joe was cutting the grass, and Chris was planning what to do with the chips we were making. I was running the chipper and chainsaw and truck. Even though Chris has no intention of staying in the business (he's a pre-med student), it was fun being together, doing something that we had grown up doing.

My dad stayed in Milwaukee, attending to his 5-7 appointments that morning and paying for the diesel we were guzzling. But really, he has done a lot to set up the infrastructure for my future and possibly Joe's future. It's tough to be in business - really tough. As in our company's share of the health insurance bill increased by $24,000 this year. Not a single note of appreciation from anyone - just threats of legal action because the business isn't paying more than 70% of the premium.

I have a lot of respect for my dad, and I hope I expressed some of it yesterday on Father's Day (even though Radio Shack did run out of weather radios). I've reached this point in my life thinking I would grow up to own a tree & landscape business just like my dad only to realize that it's a more general term than I thought! There are so many leadership and management styles. So many parts of the green industry to explore and grow. So many organizations to take part in!

This is the industry for me, and I eagerly await the future, even if it only promises to get harder. Tomorrow is a white collar day for me - setting up the paperwork and digital structure for our PHC program in the morning and attending to my student body president duties in Stevens Point at a board meeting in the afternoon. But the next day, it will be all field work. That's fun. Doing something different every day that you enjoy.

Good to talk to you guys again!

Nickrosis
 
This is a rather interesting topic for me. The former rabbi at the synagogue I belong to decided to leave the congregation about 2 months ago. The reason he left is due to a couple of reasons; money (couldn't afford to live in Westchester), the fact that they had nothing to do (problems with shopping), his son goes to a yeshiva which is roughly an hour away each way, and some other stuff. Well he sent out an e-mail to the congregation stating that he has lived his dream in becoming a rabbi, and now needs to give that up so that his children may live out their dreams by being closer to children more like themselves (highly religious Jews) There is a word for this which I don't remember :(

However in my opinion he is not letting his children really live their dream. I feel that he is kind of forcing his dream on them because they moved to a HIGHLY orthodox town in which there are few non-jewish families.

But what do I know???
 
That reminds me of a friend - he's militantly vegetarian (gags when I offer to b-b-que) and has five girls under fifteen. I bumped into the girls at the convenience store buying cartons of boxes of packages of cheap bubble gum. They freaked when they saw me - I had to chuckle....told them I won't tell anyone. They were getting their sugar fix for the month - they stash it in the barn. He won't tolerate even honey or molasses (??).

If you push a spawn too hard they sometimes turn about. Lots of the children of fundamentalists here grow-up to nix religion. The Amish in Iowa I worked for awhile back had kids who pumped me for outside news and views. Those years they went AWOL in numbers, but now it seems they elect to stay. I don't blame 'em.
 
Originally posted by treeman82
, and now needs to give that up so that his children may live out their dreams by being closer to children more like themselves (highly religious Jews) There is a word for this which I don't remember :(

Kibutziim?
 
Originally posted by John Paul Sanborn
Kibutziim?

Or Hasidic Jews, highly Orthodox fundamentalists. Wonder if it was their dream or their dad's to hang with other fundamentalists?
My 14-yr. old handles the office work pretty well but is just as eager to be an arborist as I was to be a packaging engineer like my dad when I was 14 and working in my his factory; not at all.

Ya gotta ease em outa the nest, watch em fly and hope they don't drop anything too nasty on you.
Incoming!
 

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