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Ever run into a nasty surprise up in the tree even after you have done a pre inspection?

I've had this happen a few times and actually had it happen on a tree I did last week. It was in a tight drop zone, right over the roof and I had a little postage stamp area to lower everything in between the house and the privacy fence in the side yard. I had inspected the tree extensively before entering it trying to figure out how the heck I wanted to lower everything out of it. I had a good natural fork that hung just perfectly over my drop zone and decided to use it.

I lowered pretty much everything off of that lowering point, after I set my bull line in there with the throw line. A couple of the heaviest limbs and chunks I lowered off of their own stem with a block but everything else came down off of my main lowering point. One side of the tree had been completely stripped of limbs because of the nearby power lines. When I worked myself up to a point where some of the older limbs in the top had been removed I found out that there was severe wood rot and hollows where some of the limbs had been removed previously. The defects were obscured by sucker growth and I couldn't see it from the ground.

I thought to myself right then how lucky I was that the tree wasn't any more impaired than it was or I could have had a real problem. I hadn't lowered anything over 500 pounds I doubt and there was very little shock on anything but still it made me think. I wasn't tied in to any points above the defects but it would have still been catastrophic had the limb the lowering line was set in had failed.

I wondered to myself how wise the practice of setting a lowering line from the ground is when you cannot closely inspect the tree by climbing to the lowering point and checking everything out.

I had a similar situation a few years ago but I was actually climbing a leader on a large maple to drop the tip of the limb where it would fall clear of the phase 3 lines. I got about 60' up and found a really bad defect in the leader, bad enough where I though better of climbing past it. I got down, discussed it with the HO and called in a crane. I decided then to put a pair of binoculars in my pack to be able to more closely inspect trees from the ground. I have since got away from that habit.

How do you guys handle those situations? Anyone carry binos with them to inspect the tree? Comments?
 
I try to always climb to my tie in point or lowering point to inspect it after setting it. Only in very few instances have I not done this.

The worst thing I had was a red oak I had climbed out to the end of a large lead to drop small chunks. as I worked my way back and got close to the junction with the trunk I found the whole inside of the base was eaten out hollow by carpenter ants. It spooked the hell out of me thinking I had just been way out on that lead. Even with my upper TIP it could have gotten real nasty real quick. Also when I cut the last little bit the damn ants covered me up very quickly and I was wiping them off me like syrup.
 
My take on this issue is that if the tree is green & every single cut is roped through a false crotch block, the tree will hold together. Also, I do not set the gin high on the newer growth; especially with soft wooded trees. I have run into the situation you spoke of. Monday I set my block high on a limb to rig down another tree. It also had a rotten , uncollared wound. I cut small sections like you did today however I but checked the pieces as well. Dead trees; as you know; are a different story. Sounds like you did a fine job today young man!
 
My take on this issue is that if the tree is green & every single cut is roped through a false crotch block, the tree will hold together. Also, I do not set the gin high on the newer growth; especially with soft wooded trees. I have run into the situation you spoke of. Monday I set my block high on a limb to rig down another tree. It also had a rotten , uncollared wound. I cut small sections like you did today however I but checked the pieces as well. Dead trees; as you know; are a different story. Sounds like you did a fine job today young man!

Your take scares me.

A false crotch block quadruples your loading, where a fixed block only doubles the loading. Apologies if my interpretation was not what you meant.

A "green" tree could be lightning struck, or hollow, or have hidden decay spots from previous natural or man made wounding. It could have a full, lush canopy, but still have lost a significant proportion of its "strength". Just because it's green does NOT mean it's safe for dynamic rigging. Ever heard the name Peter Donzelli?

And finally, the lower you set your block, the bigger the wood you've gotta catch on it.

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I need to include binos in my exam kit....and I agree that remote set rig points are a dicey business. I still do it alot for light rigging.
 
15th season & I have not had a rigging point fail. I take it one cut @ a time. I do not ever push the limits of my equipment or my trees. Plus my ground men are pros & we communicate with each other before each cut. Rigging runs very smooth through a false crotch block.
 
15th season & I have not had a rigging point fail. I take it one cut @ a time. I do not ever push the limits of my equipment or my trees. Plus my ground men are pros & we communicate with each other before each cut. Rigging runs very smooth through a false crotch block.

Thats great. Congratulations.

But is still does not justify the statement
if the tree is green & every single cut is roped through a false crotch block, the tree will hold together.

The fact that it hasn't happened to you doesn't change the fact that it's happened.

When you say "false crotch block", are you referring to an adjustable block tied off at the ground, or a fixed block tied to a limb or spar?
 
One opinion to another, if the tree is green, i will rig it down. From my experience that's my opinion. So then,have you encountered a green tree that you were unable to rig down?
 
I think the worst nightmare of any climber has to be the spar failing while you are working the tree. I have worked some risky ones and believe I have a good sense of what is safe and what is an acceptable risk for me. I have 20 years of bad trees behind me to gather insight from. Granted, I have never had one fail so I have nothing to compare but I'll stick with my 100% record. I know better educated and smarter men than me (Peter Donzelli) have not been so lucky.

I think it is imperative to have some good rigging experience under your belt along with a good working knowledge of log weights before you take on anything with some risk. There are tricks you can employ to reduce the risk of something failing but the first step has to be proper risk assessment and knowing what to look for as well as knowing what personally is an acceptable risk to oneself.
 
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One opinion to another, if the tree is green, i will rig it down. From my experience that's my opinion. So then,have you encountered a green tree that you were unable to rig down?

"Unable" implies attempt and failure, so no. But there have been a few that I refused to rig down, and there will be a few more.

I truly hope I never encounter a green tree that I'm unable to rig down, but that's more on recognizing impending doom and avoiding it than "knowing" that because it's green it'll be ok.

When you say "false crotch block", are you referring to an adjustable block tied off at the ground, or a fixed block tied to a limb or spar? Is there an echo in here, or is it just me?
 
One opinion to another, if the tree is green, i will rig it down. From my experience that's my opinion. So then,have you encountered a green tree that you were unable to rig down?

Just curious, would you rig off of this one?

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I think the worst nightmare of any climber has to be the spar failing while you are working the tree. I have worked some risky ones and believe I have a good sense of what is safe and what is an acceptable risk for me. I have 20 years of bad trees behind me to gather insight from. Granted, I have never had one fail so I have nothing to compare but I'll stick with my 100% record. I know better educated and smarter men than me (Peter Donzelli) have not been so lucky.

I think it is imperative to have some good rigging experience under your belt along with a good working knowledge of log weights before you take on anything with some risk. There are tricks you can employ to reduce the risk of something failing but the first step has to be proper risk assessment and knowing what to look for as well as knowing what personally is an acceptable risk to oneself.

I had a fail back in the eighties co dominant top nothing great big but I decided to tie in to both leads and I am glad I made that choice! I was hanging on one lead and the other hanging from me momentarily. I cut the rope to get the weight off as it was pinching me pretty good!
 
It's not the defects that I know about that concern me so much. I do my own risk assessment and as long as I know of the defect and am able to assess the risk then I know I am going into it with my eyes wide open. It's the unknown defects that concern me. The defects that are hidden or I have missed and have no idea of the risk or potential problem.
 
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I had a fail back in the eighties co dominant top nothing great big but I decided to tie in to both leads and I am glad I made that choice! I was hanging on one lead and the other hanging from me momentarily. I cut the rope to get the weight off as it was pinching me pretty good!

I was reading an OSHA fatality report a few years back that was similar to that Rope. A climber had a TIP higher in the tree and was working a large leader. He was tied off with his safety on the limb he was working on and when he made his cut it split, basically barber chaired on him, back nearly to the spar taking him with it. His climbing line snapped and he fell to the ground with the limb.
 
I was reading an OSHA fatality report a few years back that was similar to that Rope. A climber had a TIP higher in the tree and was working a large leader. He was tied off with his safety on the limb he was working on and when he made his cut it split, basically barber chaired on him, back nearly to the spar taking him with it. His climbing line snapped and he fell to the ground with the limb.

It can and will happen which is why I usually take lighter loads these days.
 

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