Tying split tail to caribiner

[hda31]

Hi guys,
I got a question and found this site when I searched and it seems to be pretty cool forum!

Anyway, I just ordered some climbing gear and want to use the split tail system, however, I'm a little confused on tying my split tail between my caribiner and climbing line. When I tie the split tail with a anchor hitch to the caribiner and a blake's hitch to the climbing line, there is just not enough rope to do this...

However, the split tail has an eyelet...now, the eyelet is too small as is to run the other end through to tie a girth hitch around the caribiner (which would leave plenty of slack for the blake hitch to the climbing line), my question is, can i loosen the eyelet to make the girth hitch fit, or, is it safe enough to run the caribiner through the eyelet and leave it just like that? Sorry for the long question but didn't know any other way to word it without details...

Thanks for input!!!!!!

 

[Blakesmaster]

Just clip your biner into the eyelet, you're good to go, assuming it's a professionally spliced split tail. BTW, welcome to the site.

 

[ropensaddle]

Just clip your biner into the eyelet, you're good to go, assuming it's a professionally spliced split tail. BTW, welcome to the site.

Yup

 

[RacerX]

If you split tail was spliced with a tight eye just slip the carabiner through it. If it has a larger eye (usually professionally tied at about 5") it should be large enough for a girth hitch.

 

[hda31]

yea i bought the gear off of wesspur, so it's legitamate gear, it also makes sense that it can be just slipped onto the biner because there's just not enough rope to tie it any other way, thanks a lot guys!

 

[PinnaclePete]

Hopefully the eye is tight enough that it will not move around on the biner. If it can move on the biner keep very close watch on it as it may end up on the gate of the biner and biner gates are not rated to carry a load.

Use a corner keeper, steel or preferably rubber to keep the eye in the small end of the biner. Do not try to loosen the eye. It should have a 6 - 8 inch tuck and be whipped with a waxy thread to keep splice in place.

All commercially spliced products should have a label shrink wrapped over the splice to indicate ANSI ratings, rope type and splicer, etc.

Happy Climbing and Welcome.

 

[treemandan]

Its supposed to be used with a girth. What do you mean there is not enough left to tie? Ya got me worried now.

 

[Rickytree]

Its supposed to be used with a girth. What do you mean there is not enough left to tie? Ya got me worried now.

Cuz he thinking of tying the split tail to the beaner. The only time I tyed a split tail to a beaner is when I make my own out of a 6 foot piece of rope and tie a fisherman's knot. It is compact and stays out of your way. I hope you know what you are getting into. This is a pretty easy question for a complex, life threatening occupation. That last part is not addressed to you TreeManDAN

 

[hda31]

Ricky,
That is partly why I am confused on the split tail i received. The tree climber's companion book shows to tie a fisherman's knot to the biner and then the blakes hitch to the climbing line. HOwever, the split tail i received has an eye and is hardly 4' long, probably more like 3' 6"...so, there is just not enough rope for me to tie all those knots safely alontg with a figure 8 off the end of teh blake's hitch????

 

[hda31]

o, the other thing is that i can't fit the end of the split tail back through the eye for a girth hitch

 

[046]

you might post a picture of what you got... there's several styles of spliced eyes.

prefer a triple fisherman personally as I don't trust splices that I didn't do.
how ever you do it... objective is to have rope capture the biner and not slip around.

you might consider using a steel biner or steel maillons rapides screw link for this critical application. New Tribe store

here's instruction from Buckingham
http://www.buckinghammfg.com/instructionsandwarnings/38STWARN.pdf

 

[hda31]

i see i see, yea, i may just cut rope off of another climbing line and make my own split tail as i think tying my own knot to the caribiner makes me feel more secure than a spliced eye from a manufacturer...great info though guys thanks

 

[Rickytree]

Perhaps the split tail is the wrong one for the application. What is the thickness of the rope in the split tail? If the eye is a couple inches in length then you girth hitch it to the beaner, but if the eye is small then attach the beaner through the eye then tie your hitch. You can use tape to keep the split tail centered in the dip of the beaner but don't conceal rope with tape. Tape can be put on either side. I like to see what I am looking at when doin a preflight inspection.

 

[RacerX]

Some photo's of what you're working with will help.

 

[hda31]

heres some pics guys, sorry it took a few days, i've talked to some people about this question and they all say that a spliced eye on these biners is supposed to be safer than a knot, which i found suprising!

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[outonalimbts]

i've talked to some people about this question and they all say that a spliced eye on these biners is supposed to be safer than a knot, which i found suprising!

I only use steel carabiners to climb with. I also really like the swivel snaps as they allow me to move around in a tree without getting tangled up in the rope. Or having the rope twist up on itself. Seems to work awful nicely.

Good luck, be careful...

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[PinnaclePete]

I see you are double crotched...........LOL!

........

Seems like an excessive use of hardware and rope. The Hi-Vee is your split tail, Blue Streak your climbing line double crotched, but what is the Gold streak doing in there?

 

[046]

that's absolutely not true!

a splice eye is not safer than a properly tied triplefisherman.

a triplefisherman has the advantage of self cinching without a major loss of strength. VS a girth hitch loses substantially more strength, which is needed to cinch to biner. even a tight spliced eye will not cinch like a triplefisherman.

All climbers should be aware that girth hitching any Dyneema slings, regardless of size, causes them to lose around 50% of their strength. girth hitching standard climbing line could result in strength loss of 30% vs a triplefisherman loses about 10%

there's documented instances of factory spliced eyes failing.
same could be also said of knots failing from being improperly tied.

personally don't trust factory splices... my triplefisherman is tied by me...
I KNOW my life can be trusted to that knot. I cannot say the same about a splice not done by me.

look at the triplefisherman on a split tail tied by me below... easy visual check that knot is 100% tied correctly and will not fail. can you say the same about any factory spliced eye?

heres some pics guys, sorry it took a few days, i've talked to some people about this question and they all say that a spliced eye on these biners is supposed to be safer than a knot, which i found suprising!

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[Rickytree]

that's absolutely not true!

a splice eye is not safer than a properly tied triplefisherman.

a triplefisherman has the advantage of self cinching without a major loss of strength. VS a girth hitch loses substantially more strength, which is needed to cinch to biner. even a tight spliced eye will not cinch like a triplefisherman.

All climbers should be aware that girth hitching any Dyneema slings, regardless of size, causes them to lose around 50% of their strength. girth hitching standard climbing line could result in strength loss of 30% vs a triplefisherman loses about 10%

there's documented instances of factory spliced eyes failing.
same could be also said of knots failing from being improperly tied.

personally don't trust factory splices... my triplefisherman is tied by me...
I KNOW my life can be trusted to that knot. I cannot say the same about a splice not done by me.

look at the triplefisherman on a split tail tied by me below... easy visual check that knot is 100% tied correctly and will not fail. can you say the same about any factory spliced eye?

Nice post and split tail.

 

[Rickytree]

heres some pics guys, sorry it took a few days, i've talked to some people about this question and they all say that a spliced eye on these biners is supposed to be safer than a knot, which i found suprising!

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The second pic you might want to try putting the pulley on first then the splittail. or ? just it will lay flatter if that's a word.