Valdotain Tresse (VT) for secured footlocking knot?

[ApexTreeService]

I don't footlock much. Was showing the nephews last week footlocking with Kleimheist, and the Rescue 8 for decent. That is stupid. One of them decended on the Kleimheist, no prob. So what's the deal. I tied a 2 wrap 3 braid VT on doubled 1/2" line with like 3' or so of eye to eye 10mm Bee-Line. Just did ground testing, but felt like it would hold with huge amounts of weight. So, better knot to use in case of emergency (hornets), or lowering back down?

Oh, and please, no douche bags required here, if your going to say something condescending then save it for your little brother or mother. Just wondering if I can footlock to 60' on a doubled rope, with a VT eye to eye and not have a circus ride on my hands.

 

[treemandan]

Aww, come on! Let us be douche bags... please?

I would think you would be fine using the VT for secured footlocking... but from what I have seen, why anybody would want to footlock into a tree they are going to be working on is beyond me.

 

[Arbor Vision]

I don't footlock much. Was showing the nephews last week footlocking with Kleimheist, and the Rescue 8 for decent. That is stupid. One of them decended on the Kleimheist, no prob. So what's the deal. I tied a 2 wrap 3 braid VT on doubled 1/2" line with like 3' or so of eye to eye 10mm Bee-Line. Just did ground testing, but felt like it would hold with huge amounts of weight. So, better knot to use in case of emergency (hornets), or lowering back down?

Oh, and please, no douche bags required here, if your going to say something condescending then save it for your little brother or mother. Just wondering if I can footlock to 60' on a doubled rope, with a VT eye to eye and not have a circus ride on my hands.

I would not recommend foot locking on a doubled rope with a vt hitch, especially trying to decend on one because it could lock one leg of the rope and let the other leg slide threw as were a 6 coil prosaic is more likely to lock on both ropes, although it can still let one leg of the rope slide threw.
Took a uncontrolled decent to the ground more than once on a vt trying to decend without a fig8. The last time it happened I was about 35' 40' up and had to lower myself a couple inches to swing myself on to a limb to switch over to dbrt........but it let one leg lock and the other keep sliding threw....burnt up the gloves I had on. It's fig8 for me whether its a 6" or 6' decent.

 

[treemandan]

I would not recommend foot locking on a doubled rope with a vt hitch, especially trying to decend on one because it could lock one leg of the rope and let the other leg slide threw as were a 6 coil prosaic is more likely to lock on both ropes, although it can still let one leg of the rope slide threw.
Took a uncontrolled decent to the ground more than once on a vt trying to decend without a fig8. The last time it happened I was about 35' 40' up and had to lower myself a couple inches to swing myself on to a limb to switch over to dbrt........but it let one leg lock and the other keep sliding threw....burnt up the gloves I had on. It's fig8 for me whether its a 6" or 6' decent.

Interesting. I would not see that happening.I have very little experiance using ropes in the manner you are talking about. What you describe seems to be something that could happen with any hitch.

 

[Arbor Vision]

Interesting. I would not see that happening.I have very little experiance using ropes in the manner you are talking about. What you describe seems to be something that could happen with any hitch.

The six coil prussic just works best for me and then kleimhist(sp)....maybe its my setup (rope/footlock cord. I think any hitch will let one leg slide and the other leg lock onto the hitch.....its chance you take descending on a doubled rope secured foot lock without a fig8....it will do three things.....lock completly up the hitch,lock one leg and the other leg releases or descend in a normal fashion.....so without a fig8 you have a 1/3 chance of what it is gonna do.

 

[treemandan]

The six coil prussic just works best for me and then kleimhist(sp)....maybe its my setup (rope/footlock cord. I think any hitch will let one leg slide and the other leg lock onto the hitch.....its chance you take descending on a doubled rope secured foot lock without a fig8....it will do three things.....lock completly up the hitch,lock one leg and the other leg releases or descend in a normal fashion.....so without a fig8 you have a 1/3 chance of what it is gonna do.

yes, I guess if you are descending on two legs on just a hitch it is possible for one leg grab and one to slip.

 

[treemandan]

Have some neg rep from my Mom!

Dam, that's gotta hurt!

 

[ApexTreeService]

Aww, come on! Let us be douche bags... please?

I would think you would be fine using the VT for secured footlocking... but from what I have seen, why anybody would want to footlock into a tree they are going to be working on is beyond me.

Well footlocking will quickly get you 20' up and higher to a scaffold branch or crotch where you can lanyard in and switch over to a dynamic doubled rope set up when your climbing line hangs away from the trunk making hipthrusting tiresome. You can foot lock the tail, but if you practice doubled rope footlocking you can step like 3' a time up the rope.

Someone said they took a ride when the vt took bite of one side of the rope. I don't see how this could happen. You have the friction of the rope running over the branch, the friction of the rope rubbing together against itself all the way through the VT hitch, friction of the rope on itself where you are grabbing it with your hands, and friction of both legs of the rope equally contacting the Prusik cord throught the entire VT hitch, and your gloves.