Excellent thread ,I saw it in the Forestry Logging forum a while back, cool old saws and equipment, a little deficient in PPE though. In Browns first post he says "I never fit the logger mould because I wasn't a big drinker". Thats the same sarcastic sterotyping I have heard from many company management or goverment employees. I worked along side many loggers and through their professional work ethics I never saw a big drinker problem. If there was one they sure wouldn't be around long enough to get to know them. I also heard the statement " look at these guys with no education and they make alot bigger salary then me."