What length and how many lanyards?

[Adkpk]

Got off topic in another thread and thought I would start a new one here. So, what's your lanyard setup. Or better yet: What do you use to redirect yourself in the canopy? Lanyard, tail end of you climbing line or do you just take a leap of faith?

 

[JeffL]

I've got an 8 and 12'er in the bag, and a new 10' on the saddle. Depending on how much work I have to do in one section of the canopy, I may just double crotch with the tail of my rope, or haul up a second line and double crotch with that. If I'm up a 95' Sugar Maple, and dont want to lose my original tie-in for example, chances are likely I'm going to get a second line to use, as 120 or 150' of rope runs out fast when tied into both ends!

I'm a huge fan of an eye-eye prussik with a pulley as a slack tender for my lanyard, but usually just use the microcender. Doing removals I just clip off my michochoan hitch and hitch climber to the side d's, and usually the weight of the tail is enough to take in my slack when repositioning my lanyards when working on spurs. Plus is makes one handed slacking SOOOO nice.

 

[asthesun]

Got off topic in another thread and thought I would start a new one here. So, what's your lanyard setup. Or better yet: What do you use to redirect yourself in the canopy? Lanyard, tail end of you climbing line or do you just take a leap of faith?

i use a single 12' wirecore flipline with mini-ascender. when i come to a limb i just unhook it and xfer to above the limb. if i were to try to comply with ansi, i would just get another flipline

 

[tree md]

I use a 12' wirecore with a microcender that I use for my main personal lanyard. I also use an old 8' rope lanyard with a prussic that I use for a backup. It is mainly used for positioning and doing things like hooking it around a limb above me or whatnot to hold me stationary in place when making cuts and stuff. It is older so I really don't use it for life support. I use my lifeline and wirecore for life support. I also have a loop runner and biner I use for redirects with my climbing line in the tree.

 

[ddhlakebound]

i use a single 12' wirecore flipline with mini-ascender. when i come to a limb i just unhook it and xfer to above the limb. if i were to try to comply with ansi, i would just get another flipline

I hope I don't understand.

While you're spiking everything, removal or trim, you climb with a saddle, spikes, and steelcore only? When do you use or install an overhead lifeline?

What do you do when you need to get way out on a limb and work the tips?

When you're done, do you spike back down, or descend on a rope?

Are you ever tied in when re-directing around a limb?

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I use a 10' steelcore as my main lanyard, and a 40' rope/lanyard when I need a secondary tie in, in addition to my main line.

 

[asthesun]

I hope I don't understand.

While you're spiking everything, removal or trim, you climb with a saddle, spikes, and steelcore only? When do you use or install an overhead lifeline?

What do you do when you need to get way out on a limb and work the tips?

When you're done, do you spike back down, or descend on a rope?

Are you ever tied in when re-directing around a limb?

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I use a 10' steelcore as my main lanyard, and a 40' rope/lanyard when I need a secondary tie in, in addition to my main line.

i only tie in with a rope if i'm walking a limb or coming down. i rarely tie in while redirecting, only when the tree is very girthy and difficult to get my arms around

 

[TDunk]

I have two 10' er's both with rope grabs. Maybe i'm just safety conscious b/c i'm not that good at climbing but i use both lanyards while climbing.

 

[tree md]

Unless it's something that I am limbing on the way up, topping and dropping, I always try to shoot a line into a tree. Sometimes, when the top is blown out from ice damage, I'll sling my rope up to the next TIP or use my polesaw to advance the rope. I always try to set a line though, even on removals. Makes for much easier climbing.

 

[Adkpk]

I have two 10' er's both with rope grabs. Maybe i'm just safety conscious b/c i'm not that good at climbing but i use both lanyards while climbing.

Sounds plain smart to me.

 

[Mikecutstrees]

I used to use a steel core 12' but after getting better (ie not nicking my lanyard anymore. I use a much lighter piece of 1/2 rope with a knot on one end and a rope snap on the other. This is attached through a microscender on a twisted clevis to my saddle. If I'm going up a tree with a lot of limbs to pass I'll also put a 3 in 1 lanyard on my saddle to always be tied in. If it's only a limb or two I'll use my climbing line. On easy removals where I can just cut off all the limbs blow out the top and descend I'll take a 1/2 rope with me and when I get the top out, tie off to the top of the spar, Attach my rope to a figure 8 and descend. Then use the rope as a pull line..... Mike

 

[ddhlakebound]

Sounds plain smart to me.

Yeah, me too. I don't stay tied in to satisfy regulations, mostly it's cause my anti-gravity boots don't always work right.

 

[Adkpk]

Here's what I use. I am getting more used to using the tail end of the climbing line. It's is handy with the 30' lanyard to not have to tie the hitch. And the snap makes for a some good weight.

 

[Adkpk]

Yeah, me too. I don't stay tied in to satisfy regulations, mostly it's cause my anti-gravity boots don't always work right.

Well you should get that looked into. :biggrinbounce2:

 

[asthesun]

Yeah, me too. I don't stay tied in to satisfy regulations, mostly it's cause my anti-gravity boots don't always work right.

by the time i set a line, i can be half way or all the way up a 100' tree. i feel comfortable redirecting the way i do, its how i was taught 9 yrs ago.

 

[ddhlakebound]

by the time i set a line, i can be half way or all the way up a 100' tree. i feel comfortable redirecting the way i do, its how i was taught 9 yrs ago.

Yeah, it's how most people were taught. Me too. That's not a good reason to not improve your system and your personal saftey though.

Even if you can do it safely 99.9% of the time, how long does it take to climb 1000 trees?

Untied re-directs are a significant percentage of "cause of fall". And we're all human.

 

[asthesun]

Yeah, it's how most people were taught. Me too. That's not a good reason to not improve your system and your personal saftey though.

Even if you can do it safely 99.9% of the time, how long does it take to climb 1000 trees?

Untied re-directs are a significant percentage of "cause of fall". And we're all human.

i actually teach ppl to use the 2 flipline method and go from there. when i redirect i try to make sure my spikes are securely planted. i also loose my flipline a bit so i can climb up to where the limb is under one arm before i unhook it. i did a little 6 month stint woking for the army corp of engineers in new orleans after katrina. they had a monitor up our butts the entire time and everything was strictly by the book. climbing without spikes with chaps, hardhat, earmuffs, safety glasses, gloves, and a camelback (yes, a camelback) was absolute torture in 90+ degree weather. when i came back i was in really good shape tho . i'd shoot a line where i wanted it, then tie a caribiner on it with my climbing line through it then haul it up to the crotch so that the carabiner with my line through it is just this side of the crotch. guy was paying me 400/day to climb so i tried my best to keep production up, but was difficult to do since we were paid per yard and mostly fishing hangers out of trees. since then i refuse to climb anything without spikes that i cant reach the first limb from the ground. i frequently climb small liveoaks without hooks

 

[JeffL]

i actually teach ppl to use the 2 flipline method and go from there. when i redirect i try to make sure my spikes are securely planted. i also loose my flipline a bit so i can climb up to where the limb is under one arm before i unhook it. i did a little 6 month stint woking for the army corp of engineers in new orleans after katrina. they had a monitor up our butts the entire time and everything was strictly by the book. climbing without spikes with chaps, hardhat, earmuffs, safety glasses, gloves, and a camelback (yes, a camelback) was absolute torture in 90+ degree weather. when i came back i was in really good shape tho . i'd shoot a line where i wanted it, then tie a caribiner on it with my climbing line through it then haul it up to the crotch so that the carabiner with my line through it is just this side of the crotch. guy was paying me 400/day to climb so i tried my best to keep production up, but was difficult to do since we were paid per yard and mostly fishing hangers out of trees. since then i refuse to climb anything without spikes that i cant reach the first limb from the ground. i frequently climb small liveoaks without hooks

You're lazy.

And ever hear of sideloading a carabiner?

 

[Bermie]

Oh boy, you are on your way to a long drop with a sudden stop...
TITS, in case you don't know - Tie in Twice Stupid!

 

[asthesun]

You're lazy.

And ever hear of sideloading a carabiner?

yes i have, what does that have to do with anything i said?

 

[ozzy42]

I use a pretty simple set up,homemade fllipline ;adjust from 3-10ft made from 5/8 bull rope,and a kevlar buck strap as a second flipline around branches until I reach t.i.p.
After I reach t.i.p. I toss the heavy kevlar strap down ,and use the 5/8 f/l and my overhead life line.
I don't allways tie in 2x.Depends on what I'm doing.

i actually teach ppl to use the 2 flipline method and go from there. when i redirect i try to make sure my spikes are securely planted. i also loose my flipline a bit so i can climb up to where the limb is under one arm before i unhook it. i did a little 6 month stint woking for the army corp of engineers in new orleans after katrina. they had a monitor up our butts the entire time and everything was strictly by the book. climbing without spikes with chaps, hardhat, earmuffs, safety glasses, gloves, and a camelback (yes, a camelback) was absolute torture in 90+ degree weather. when i came back i was in really good shape tho . i'd shoot a line where i wanted it, then tie a caribiner on it with my climbing line through it then haul it up to the crotch so that the carabiner with my line through it is just this side of the crotch. guy was paying me 400/day to climb so i tried my best to keep production up, but was difficult to do since we were paid per yard and mostly fishing hangers out of trees. since then i refuse to climb anything without spikes that i cant reach the first limb from the ground. i frequently climb small liveoaks without hooks

Man,I know where your coming from.I used to do just like you described,,,,a long long time ago.
I don't allways tie in 2x,but you should at least allways be tied in,in one way or another.Personally ,I like a climbing line ,so I can bail quick if something goes wrong.
It only takes one fraction of a second to lose your grip,or get a cramp,or even have a wasp sting your hand your holding on with,and down you go.

Like I said ,Iv'e been there and had that same confidence you have now.
No amount of money should stop you from being secure in the tree.

Not trying to rag on you brother.
I just dont want to read about you in the newspaper.

Stay safe.