So, there is a tree service owner in my area that is an ISA certified arborist and a member of the TCIA that has been doing several things that are not considered "ISA standards" such as: grinding roots out of a sidewalk, grinding into the base of a tree, topping, lions tailing. Being a fellow arborist, I find this very frustrating. What would you do?
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I have often been tempted to turn in some of the Hack's here, mostly guys with chain saw ladder and pickup truck.Once I subed for one CA that was doing a road clearance for a HOA and he hired me and my little bucket van, and got greddy when he relized we could finish in one day and started pushing me, and really ripping some trees with a pole saw, wonder if it could be done anonomously, I ask the City Arborist here and he said all they can do is issue a citation for no tree maintenace lic. which can be defered 6 months till they get theirs, or like $100 fine, really Irratates me, whish it were $1000 fine and impounded equipment but the least gov is the best , since I rent I have to drive through a hacked nieborhood every day,just put my blinders on. but I have read post here about how the ISA CA is being watered down so maybe we should hold people up to the standards of the industry to counter this.
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Paul
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Get pictures of hacked trees - things done wrong. Keep a picture folder on computer. Print these pics to educate the public or future clients.
Get pictures of hacked trees - things done wrong. Keep a picture folder on computer. Print these pics to educate the public or future clients.
formationrx
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frauds & dumbasses.....
.....you dont have to do a ####### thing..... except maybe spread the word...... guys like that dont last .....they may get a brief run of initial luck.... but they always leave a wake of dead and ###### up trees behind..... and those guys end up in a wheel chair missing 3 fingers or worse......
.....you dont have to do a ####### thing..... except maybe spread the word...... guys like that dont last .....they may get a brief run of initial luck.... but they always leave a wake of dead and ###### up trees behind..... and those guys end up in a wheel chair missing 3 fingers or worse......
sgreanbeans
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That goes on everywhere. There are 2 types of CA's, IMO anyway, Us, Arborist who like trees, choose this occupation because we love it, trees first, biz second, then the others, the ones who happen to be in the biz of trees, they are biznass first, proper tree work second. We have several CA;s here who base their expertise off the CA study guide only, it shows when bidding against them. A few of them top, spike prunes, prune oaks in summer and fruits in the winter, basically they will do anything ya want as long as you pay. I have taken pics of a few of them doing this work and sent it in to the ISA, not sure what happened, if anything. If I see it again, and have my camera handy, I will take more and send them in too. Not a nark, well maybe a little, but these guys are hacks with a CA cert and it makes me ill. I would put my youngest guy up against any of them when it comes to actual tree knowledge. He drags brush all day, but knows where the meristematic tissue is on the tree and can explain compartmentalization in depth. One of these other CA's recently told a client that their oak was dying, the MAPLE! was fine!
It all goes back to the never ending discussion about the test, needs to be harder and have prac app, show whatcha know.
It all goes back to the never ending discussion about the test, needs to be harder and have prac app, show whatcha know.
sgreanbeans
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Tell them(the ISA), if he is using the logo and has never been, that is wrong. They will go after them, pretty harshly from what I understand. But, you can also elect not to be published on the site, why some guys do that, not sure, but ya can. Also guys let their ISA membership run out but they are still a CA. If they have a add in the phone book,etc or have it on the trucks, take a pic. The ISA will be able to tell you if they are. If they are bogus, just get out of the way. Some guys have Arborist in their names, but are not CA's, no biggie, there are many top notch guys that are epic level Arborist, but are not Certified thru the ISA. They are still Arborist.
So when checking on that stuff, keep that in mind. Now,if they are hacks, and have ISA stuff plastered everywhere, take em out!
I don't think Dr Shigo was a CA, elders?
We have a guy that rolls around in your typical white pedophile van, with those mail box letters "Dr Tree" on the side........crooked! He tells people he is a certified tree surgeon! Real creepy looking guy, not even hack level, totally pathetic!
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superjunior
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is this him?
treeclimber101
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No, that guy is coaching football at WVU these days (look up pic of dana holgorsen (WVU's coach) for evidence...)is this him?
To the original question: If the program is not held to a standard, it will mean even less in the long-term.
The one where somebody is using ISA logo/CA logo without being a member or CA, that is easy: call it in. No different than taking somebody's music, book, painting, etc... and putting your name on it. They are using protected property in a fashion prohibited by the owner.
On seeing a CA performing contrary to standards: You can be just within "standards" and leave things looking not so great...so make sure they are actually out of compliance with the Code of Ethics before going down that road. And if you are going to go for it, I'd take the trouble to cite specific examples of where they are in violation. Topping probably falls under Section I. A. 2. "Comply with all accepted professional standards related to arboriculture practice, including national practice standards and policies." then go to ANSI for accepted professional standards. If they are topping trees in the tree lawn, see if the community has a tree mutilation prohibition, and if so, you may have as much luck ending the practice locally.
Finally, always "aim your attack" at the practice, not the company. If you are going after competition, it starts to sound like you just want somebody else to clear the way for you so you can grow your own company. If you go after the practice, that sounds more like your goal is better/healthier trees and you want to protect the integrity of the ISA programs.
arborjockey
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The fact that he passed that highly intensive test and still hacks trees wow shocker. :msp_thumbdn:The ISA is $$$$$$$. Nothing more nothing less. Dont expect much out of a Certified arborist tell you see his work. Either they understand the specie and comprehend the limitations of pruning it or they dont. Scrap the cert. its for the birds. My 13 yr old nephew could pass that test after studying for 3 days. I consider the ISA a library not a college. My answer would be to stop by the job and tell him he's making your community look like @#%$. Its not snitching if you go to the source.
When I moved back home i went to an old apartment complex I used to live in. The trees had been whacked. I found out it was MOTHER EARTH FATHER TIME TREE SERVICE. Million dollar company. I called the owner a 35 yr old kid name Toby and told him it look like #$%^. he said it was per owner request and he informed them that the trees would be scared for life and basically ruined. The owner said he didnt care whaCK EM. What do ya do?:msp_confused:
When I moved back home i went to an old apartment complex I used to live in. The trees had been whacked. I found out it was MOTHER EARTH FATHER TIME TREE SERVICE. Million dollar company. I called the owner a 35 yr old kid name Toby and told him it look like #$%^. he said it was per owner request and he informed them that the trees would be scared for life and basically ruined. The owner said he didnt care whaCK EM. What do ya do?:msp_confused:
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