what type of eye 2 eye cords do you use with samson arbormaster ropes?

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I was running a vt as a friction hitch with beeline 10mm eye 2 eye on samson arbormaster rope (bluestreak/goldstreak/use both) and it seemed like no matter how I adjusted the hitch by changing number of wraps or braids it was either to loose or to tight. So I tried a tennex eye 2 eye that I had not used on anything yet, what a difference. Talked to a couple people today and they all say that beeline does'nt perform as good on arbormaster ropes.
Just wondring if anybody is running a vt on arbormaster and what eye 2 eye's you have tried and or are using?
 
Tenex is all polyester so it will glaze when heated during quick descents. I use Ice Tail which is also a single braid, but is a Technora-poly blend and has great heat resistance. I use it as a VT on Velocity or ArborMaster, grabs well, releases easy.
 
I ordered a ocean eye 2 eye from sherrill and going to give it a try..
It has a aramid sheath over a poly core.....has anyone tried this eye 2 eye or heard anything about it?
 
I ordered a ocean eye 2 eye from sherrill and going to give it a try..
It has a aramid sheath over a poly core.....has anyone tried this eye 2 eye or heard anything about it?

I am well aware that this is an old thread but others who find it or search for info on Samson Arbormaster i hope find this info useful.

I use an Ocean polyester e2e 10mm on my Arbormaster BRW main climb. I use it tied in a Distel or VT with the DMM Hitch climber system. Several climbers i know and talk to swear by the ocean poly cords. I find it works well and is very supple and very heat resistant, but not the best i have used. I found it to be slightly more noticeably wearing quite early on while other cords (armor-prus) i have that are much older and seen more use are not as worn.

I also use a Arbormaster blue streak rope for a self made lanyard the same style as the Teufelberger CE lanyard at a much reduced cost. For this i use a Marlow viper 8mm e2e cord in a VT with a DMM pinto for slack tending. Marlow is from the UK and is a not so well known company here in Australia or in the US. They make first rate rope however. The viper cord is no exception. I like it equal with the Ocean poly in grip but better in wear plus i can get it much cheaper.The viper i have used before as a main climb hitch cord. I find it reliable in the grip department and hard wearing. The ocean poly seems very supple while the marlow seems to stay a little bit more rigid for longer. Don't get me wrong it is not wiry or difficult to tie or knot, but it seems to advance the hitch more firmly and reliably with a distel or vt than the ocean poly. Just my experience, maybe others have had no such issues with the ocean poly cords.

From Marlow website: "Marlow Viper is a Vectran / Polyester accessory cord designed for use as a prussik where friction and heat generation are issues. The high melting point of Vectran ensures the rope does not melt or degrade in use. Viper rope is CE Certified EN564"

  • High tenacity Vectran
  • Hardwearing
  • Strong
  • Easily knotable
  • CE Certified

Another brand to try in my opinion would be the Donaghy's armor-prus. It is available in 8mm and 10mm and is very popular over here in Australia as it is made in New Zealand. Many climbers i know who i have put onto the armor-prus after not liking ocean poly have been blown away by how good it is. Donaghy's make excellent rope for fire and rescue applications as well as arborist usage. I have used it often in the past and it is the best i have ever used. If it is good enough for Grant Cody i'm sure it will be ok for me! It is expensive but you get what you pay for! I am really liking the marlow viper at the moment so am trying some more of that before i probably end up going back to the armor-prus. I keep thinking i will find a cord it's better or just it's equal but i don't.

Here is a Treestuff link:
http://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?category_id=127&item=183#detail
http://www.treestuff.com/store/products.asp?category_id=20

Talked to a couple people today and they all say that beeline does'nt perform as good on arbormaster ropes.

There are a lot of climb line / hitch cord combo's that just don't work well together. Whether it's a problem between the materials they are made out of just being incompatible and not working well and gripping reliably or a particular cord being too wiry for a particular type of friction hitch or whatever. There really should be a thread with a collection of people experiences on what does not work well. I would appreciate the knowledge as i have bought some in the past that just did not go with the climb line i had at the time. Would have been nice to have advance warning!


10mm Ocean polyester sewn e2e on my Arbormaster BRW main climb line with the DMM hitch climber setup.
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Marlow viper 8mm spliced e2e on my arbormaster blue streak lanyard with the DMM Pinto pulley.
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Close up of the viper cord setup. I really like this cord for the price vs performance factor!!
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10mm ocean michoacan on arbormaster here. It's worked well so I never had the need to try anything else. However I am still trying to figure out a cord for the bluemoon I have.
 
The arbormaster blue streak looks just like my Yale xtc, thanks for the heads up matt, I knew Marlow in the UK, had some great rope for snatch blocks from them, well impressed, I'm trying that ocean polyester at the moment but I'll get some of the other
 
The arbormaster blue streak looks just like my Yale xtc, thanks for the heads up matt, I knew Marlow in the UK, had some great rope for snatch blocks from them, well impressed, I'm trying that ocean polyester at the moment but I'll get some of the other

No complaints with the samson arbormaster rope. None at all. Either for climb or lanyard. Very good knot tying and excellent abrasion resistance. I have a contact in the US who gets offcuts off all samson rope at fantastic prices but he can only get whatever they cut off. If you need a 35m of something specific and he only has a 25m.... too bad until he gets another hank.

Yeah Marlow make good quality hard wearing rope. If the prices per meter were not so spendy i would be getting some more marlow stuff for sure. Everything i have used of theirs has been flawless.

When you do feel the need to try the viper cord here is a link to the bloke on ebay i get my eye2eye's from. He can make custom lengths too. He also does spliced ocean poly eye2eye cords in 8mm and 10mm.
The viper is only made in 8mm however. Some like it as it is a little more bity than 10mm, but can grip too tight and be harder to release. Tied in a VT for both climb and lanyard with the arbormaster rope i did not encounter any of these issues and have only good things to say about it.

http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/central-services-user_id/m.html?item=310881588018
 
I tried the 8mm ocean polyester on my 12 mm Hi-Vee, New England. Was nearly impossible to break the VT when it was loaded.
Have used a couple of other 8 mm ropes for my friction hitches and all but the ocean poly works well. Strange...
Maybe a 10 mm OP would work better? (I weght 82 kilos/180 lbs if anybody is thinking the obvious..... ;) )
 
I've had good luck with New England 8mm & 9mm Prusik cordage on my 1/2" Arbormaster ropes. That combination has never failed to grab and always feels smooth moving the VT friction hitch.
 
Well, I wanted to have a hitch cord that was heat and abrasive resistant. But the ocean polyester was just too grippy.
Any suggestions on a hitch cord with similar characteristics that does not grab as much?
 

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