Would like opinions

[juttree]

Hi everyone, my brother and I have had a difference of opinions on this subject for years now so I finally figured I'd post the question here.
I've been doing bucket work and climbing for my brother for quite a while now and the way I like to do a removal is, I cut a few limbs or a leader ( depending on size), then let the ground men drag it to the chipper and then keep repeating until we finish. I think it goes pretty smooth and Im always thinking of the amount of time the job is taking.
My brother on the other hand thinks the tree should be cut down as fast as safety will allow, making what I like to call a rats nest , then chip it all after. My brother doesn't do the physical work anymore but I remember working under him as a groundsman and I hated it. The brush was always so hard to pull apart and needed to be cut up more.
So what are some of your thoughts on the subject.

 

[richard t]

Rat's nests are for rat's that sux I like keeping the ground somewhat clean and clear no tripping and stumbling over crap.

 

[TreeAce]

clear away brush as you go.

 

[treecutterjr]

I second that. Clean it up as you go.

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[juttree]

Well I'm starting to feel pretty good about the way I've been doing things now. He's made me question my strategy many many times.

 

[KenJax Tree]

I have 2 ground guys one cuts, drags and chips brush as it hits the ground and the other runs the ropes. Why let it all pile up.


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[gorman]

Time is definitely wasted tearing apart the 'rats nest'. Tell your brother to pick it apart for a couple hours.

 

[Pelorus]

I only make rat nests / brush volcanoes if there is not enough ground power to clear away the brush as it comes down.
I don't like wasting a lot of idle time on spurs twiddling my thumbs, so generally the quicker
I can get back on the ground, the quicker I can pitch in to help the guy(s) on the ground. Tug-a-wars with tangled limbs suck, but a chainsaw can subdue a volcano pretty quick.

 

[climbhightree]

Rats nests don't matter as much when you have a mini to grab it all, or sort it out. But probably still faster, and safer to clean as you go. The worse is doing both at the same time...which you would think is a no brainer.

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[juttree]

Thanks everyone, this site is awesome. I just started posting things here and the people have been great. I guess I'm no longer a lurker

 

[DR. P. Proteus]

Sounds like your brother is impetuous to the point of being half stupid, if he were stubborn as well he would be full blown stupid.

 

[juttree]

[qote="DR. P. Proteus, post: 4725042, member: 119497"]Sounds like your brother is impetuous to the point of being half stupid, if he were stubborn as well he would be full blown stupid.[/quote]
I have to say, as much as I hated being his ground man he was good at what he did. I think he just had that mentality where he needed to get down as fast as he could to micro manage. He had a big issue with that up until a few years ago.

 

[DR. P. Proteus]

[qote="DR. P. Proteus, post: 4725042, member: 119497"]Sounds like your brother is impetuous to the point of being half stupid, if he were stubborn as well he would be full blown stupid.

I have to say, as much as I hated being his ground man he was good at what he did. I think he just had that mentality where he needed to get down as fast as he could to micro manage. He had a big issue with that up until a few years ago.[/quote]


It sound like you have been put through a lot !



I will place my brush and logs , will end up filling the landing zones to capacity but I will wait or come down if I have to before I clog it up good.

Its on the ISA exam.

 

[Pelorus]

I'll come down too sometimes when the ground guys are getting swamped.
Hanging around up top watching an epic struggle on the ground is sometimes more tiring than giving them a hand.

 

[juttree]

te="DR. P. Proteus, post: 4725097, member: 119497"]I have to say, as much as I hated being his ground man he was good at what he did. I think he just had that mentality where he needed to get down as fast as he could to micro manage. He had a big issue with that up until a few years ago.[/quote]


It sound like you have been put through a lot !



I will place my brush and logs , will end up filling the landing zones to capacity but I will wait or come down if I have to before I clog it up good.

Its on the ISA exam.[/quote]
Weve come to a pretty good understanding in the last few years. He leaves me alone and I do the jobs. This question was really a thing of the past but to this day it has always had me questioning my ways. I don't want to come off like I'm crying about it. I'm probably a better worker because of it. I always have to be doing something, if not I just don't feel right.

 

[ATH]

I do understand the "stay out of my way until I am done". But what are the groundies supposed to do until you are done? It just takes good communication between you in the tree and the guys on the ground.

 

[teamtree]

Hi everyone, my brother and I have had a difference of opinions on this subject for years now so I finally figured I'd post the question here.
I've been doing bucket work and climbing for my brother for quite a while now and the way I like to do a removal is, I cut a few limbs or a leader ( depending on size), then let the ground men drag it to the chipper and then keep repeating until we finish. I think it goes pretty smooth and Im always thinking of the amount of time the job is taking.
My brother on the other hand thinks the tree should be cut down as fast as safety will allow, making what I like to call a rats nest , then chip it all after. My brother doesn't do the physical work anymore but I remember working under him as a groundsman and I hated it. The brush was always so hard to pull apart and needed to be cut up more.
So what are some of your thoughts on the subject.

Chip as you go unless you can drop the tree and back the chipper into the butt of the tree.

 

[teamtree]

I try to get guys to utilize ropes and take more wood with a cut and it can be handled efficiently by the guys ont he ground. The guy cutting has to work with the ground guys....if they work together the most efficient way is to chip as you go.

 

[yeahbuddy24]

I do lots of medium some large prune jobs alone so it always ends up a rat nest. Before i had a chipper i would untangle the rats nest on the ground only to make another rats nest on the trailer and unload that rats nest at the dump. Boy those were the days taught me work ethic tho and made me a tuff sob. Also made me respect having a plan going into jobs so i keep downtime to a minimum. That being said i prefer to make a huge mess on the ground and get the tree all pruned out or taken down. I dont mind the mess. My old man is the exact opposite he wants brush mess to a minimum. I would rather use my energy in the tree pruning and do a sweet job than do a half ass job because i was fatigued in the tree. Depends on the location we at too mess or no mess.

 

[beastmaster]

I think it depends on access on the ground. If it's tight and your just making a big tangled mess it's going to take time and energy to clean up that it didn't have too. But if its kind of open with easy access I like to to be able to keep moving in the tree, and not stop, but at some point I'll have to change position and they can rush the brush then. I hate having a crew just standing around, so I often will slam a section to get a lot of brush on the ground before moving to the more technical, slower stuff. In a perfect world a good crew will rush in and pull the branches out of the drop zone before I can start my next cut, preventing any rat nests, but in the real would they stand around watching the brush pile up, trying to do as little as possible for as long as possible. Then have to work twice as hard at the end. You can work hard, or work smart, clearing out the brush as it falls is working smart.