Actually, my cell phone bill is $35/month and I have a hard time justifying that cost. I know a lot of people who treat $1,500 like peanuts. Most of them are absolute fools. Those that aren't fools could easily afford go buy a new corvette off the lot at lunch today on a whim. As a business expense, a $1,500 tool isn't that big of a deal because the asset gets depreciated, and the business (should) budget for replacing the tool at a fixed interval. For a private individual, especially one who only uses a tool like that less than 40 hrs per year, $1,500 is a waste of money. The only reason to spend it is for the bragging rights of owning the orange and white tool. To me, that makes as much sense as buying a brand new truck to drive 40 miles each way back and forth to work.
And THIS is why I was initially willing to try a clone. When I opened up a then 20 year old Stihl and it had Chinese parts under the cover, the whole idea that OEM is better quality went right out the window.
That's where I'm at as well. If I wanted something more reliable, I'd look into something that has been upgraded from someone like Bluesawz.
The rubber parts on clone saws are one of the "must change to oem" items mentioned in threads about chicom knockoffs
That’s a very good point. I suppose I am thinking why it’s a good idea to run more oil, rather than less in machines that don’t have very good QC and lower quality parts. The reason they recommend more oil is as a couple others have already mentioned is probably the quality / type of oil that may be ran to cover all their bases.
If an OEM has the proper quality and documentation procedures, it doesn't matter where the product is made. A Stihl saw made in China would be just as good as one made in Germany if they set up all of the same procedures. We saw this when the Japanese car manufacturers started to manufacture here. There was no loss in quality. Meanwhile, after about 50 years in the US market, the big 3 American auto manufacturers are far from matching the quality of Honda, Toyota and Subaru. It's the system, not the country. I am not saying the Chinese clones are as good as the originals. I have no experience with them. My best guess is they are not. But I would be pretty sure a genuine Stihl saw made in China would be just as good as one made anywhere else.
If they are illegal, how is Amazon selling them?
Don't ask hard questions.
Amazo sells all sorts of stuff.
It's not a hard question at all.
How do you know this? I was unable to find any information on Holzfforma EPA compliance.
Compliant machines are required to have a sticker stating as much. In addition they are required to have a certificate of compliance. These chicom knockoffs have neither of these.
Manufacturer | Manufacturer Code | Engine Family | Model Year | Engine Family Industry | Service Class | Marine Generator? | Useful Life | Small Volume Manufacturer (Y/N) | Small Volume Engine Family (Y/N) | Carryover? | Carryover Engine Family | Bond Required (Y/N) | Altitude Compensation Method | ABT Program? | Limited Applic Enforcement | Cylinders | Cylinder Arrangement | Engine Fuel Category | Test Fuel | Fuel Metering | Electronic Control? | Displacement | Displacement Units | Max Engine Power | Max Engine Test Speed | Engine Type | Valve Location | Exhaust Valves Per Cycle | Intake Valves Per Cycle | O2 Sensor? | O2 Sensor Type | Closed Loop Control AF Ratio | Engine Cooling Mediums | Crankshaft Orientation | Method of Aspiration | Country 1 | Country 2 | Country 3 | Hydrocarbon Type | Aftertreatment Device? | Non-Aftertreatment Device 1 | Non-Aftertreatment Device 2 | Pollutant Units | CO FEL | CO Result before DF | CO Standard | CO Cert Level | CO Df | DF Type | HC-NOx FEL | HC-NOx Result before DF | HC-NOx Standard | HC-NOx Cert Level | HC-NOx DF | CO2 Result | CH4 Result | N2O Result |
Farmertec Power Machinery Co.,Ltd. | FPM | NFPMS.035403 | 2022 | Small SI | Handheld-Class IV | | 50 Hours / 5 Years | No | No | Yes | MFPMS.035403 | Yes | No Compensation Required | No | | 1 | | Single Fuel | CARB LEV3 E10 Regular Gasoline | Carburetor | N | 35.2 | Cubic Centimeters (cc) | 1.3 | 10000 | 2-Stroke | | | | No | | No | Air | Multipositional | Naturally Aspirated | China | | | HC | Y | | | g/kW-hr | | 259.15 | 536 | 280 | 1.08 | Steady-State Multiplicative | | 31.25 | 50 | 34 | 1.102 | 1386.78 | 0.65 | 7.06 |
Farmertec Power Machinery Co.,Ltd. | FPM | NFPMS.076502 | 2022 | Small SI | Handheld-Class V | | 50 Hours / 5 Years | No | No | Yes | MFPMS.076502 | Yes | No Compensation Required | No | | 1 | | Single Fuel | CARB LEV3 E10 Regular Gasoline | Carburetor | N | 76.5 | Cubic Centimeters (cc) | 4.4 | 9000 | 2-Stroke | | | | No | | No | Air | Multipositional | Naturally Aspirated | China | | | HC | Y | | | g/kW-hr | | 223.87 | 536 | 230 | 1.029 | Steady-State Multiplicative | | 52.35 | 72 | 57 | 1.082 | 1060.24 | 0.53 | 2.25 |
Farmertec Power Machinery Co.,Ltd. | FPM | NFPMS.091501 | 2022 | Small SI | Handheld-Class V | | 50 Hours / 5 Years | No | No | Yes | MFPMS.091501 | Yes | No Compensation Required | No | | 1 | | Single Fuel | CARB LEV3 E10 Regular Gasoline | Carburetor | N | 91.6 | Cubic Centimeters (cc) | 5.2 | 9000 | 2-Stroke | | | | No | | No | Air | Multipositional | Naturally Aspirated | China | | | HC | Y | | | g/kW-hr | | 317.14 | 536 | 328 | 1.035 | Steady-State Multiplicative | | 55.66 | 72 | 59 | 1.053 | 799.44 | 0.42 | 2.61 |
Farmertec Power Machinery Co.,Ltd. | FPM | NFPMS.121504 | 2022 | Small SI | Handheld-Class V | | 50 Hours / 5 Years | No | No | No | | Yes | No Compensation Required | No | | 1 | | Single Fuel | CARB LEV3 E10 Regular Gasoline | Carburetor | N | 121.6 | Cubic Centimeters (cc) | 6.4 | 8500 | 2-Stroke | | | | No | | No | Air | Multipositional | Naturally Aspirated | China | | | HC | Y | | | g/kW-hr | | 267.22 | 536 | 288 | 1.078 | Steady-State Multiplicative | | 56.01 | 72 | 61 | 1.082 | 924.63 | 3.56 | 0.61 |
I hope my above post is fairly clear and you can see the 4 engines of 35.2, 76.5, 91.6 and 121.6 cc.
