Unscientific 361vs.441vs.660

Peacock · Jun 30, 2007

Today I was helping a buddy who sells firewood. We were cutting nothing but oak(white, red and chestnut) and hickory. We ran each saw with a 20" bar and sharp RSC chains. In 18-19" hickory the 441 and 660 were almost dead even. The 361 was a good 4-5 seconds slower. The 441 beat the 660 in chainspeed, but you could really lean on the 660. :chainsaw:

I was surprised how much slower the 361 was. I figured the 441 would run with the 660 until bigger bars were involved.

That is all. :rock:

wood rat · Jun 30, 2007

The big thing here is the weight you all were swinging around while slicing and dicing the tree up.

5-6 seconds slower , but pounds lighter -- is a fair trade off.
Plus chain - put a sharp full chisel on the 361 and then get back to me.

Bigger isn't always better.

Peacock · Jun 30, 2007

wood rat said:
The big thing here is the weight you all were swinging around while slicing and dicing the tree up.

5-6 seconds slower , but pounds lighter -- is a fair trade off.
Plus chain - put a sharp full chisel on the 360 and then get back to me.

Chain wasn't going to make up that big of a gap. They were pretty sharp.

Also, even though I've used a 361 quite a bit, I GREATLY prefer the 441 or 660 for almost any type of cutting.

PA Plumber · Jun 30, 2007

Peacock said:
Today I was helping a buddy who sells firewood. We were cutting nothing but oak(white, red and chestnut) and hickory. We ran each saw with a 20" bar and sharp RSC chains. In 18-19" hickory the 441 and 660 were almost dead even. The 361 was a good 4-5 seconds slower. The 441 beat the 660 in chainspeed, but you could really lean on the 660. I was surprised how much slower the 361 was. I figured the 441 would run with the 660 until bigger bars were involved.

That is all.

Thanks for the report Peacock. I have been starting to dream of a 660. Sounds like my 441 is plenty ample for what I do.

wood rat said:
The big thing here is the weight you all were swinging around while slicing and dicing the tree up.

5-6 seconds slower , but pounds lighter -- is a fair trade off.
Plus chain - put a sharp full chisel on the 361 and then get back to me.

Bigger isn't always better.

???? If one was to put a sharp full chisel on the 441 and 660, wouldn't the spread be very similar to having sharp RSC chains on everthing?

wood rat · Jun 30, 2007

Peacock said:
Chain wasn't going to make up that big of a gap. They were pretty sharp.

Also, even though I've used a 361 quite a bit, I GREATLY prefer the 441 or 660 for almost any type of cutting.

Great Then that is the saw for you

get back to me in ten years and let me know if you still like swinging all that weight around so you can brag on how big your saw is ?

Peacock · Jun 30, 2007

wood rat said:
Great Then that is the saw for you

get back to me in ten years and let me know if you still like swinging all that weight around so you can brag on how big your saw is ?

I'm not bragging one bit. It fits my needs and it's a plus that I like it right?

To be honest with you, my back has gotten stronger since I started running saws a lot more. I work on cars for a living and my back doesn't give me a bit of trouble anymore.

Peacock · Jun 30, 2007

PA Plumber said:
Thanks for the report Peacock. I have been starting to dream of a 660. Sounds like my 441 is plenty ample for what I do.

Yeah, unless you need to run a 32 or longer bar often, I'd just stick with the 441. I was actually a bit disappointed in the 660 at first. It pulls the 28 a bit better and handles the 36 well, but not as well as I had previously thought it would.

I guess an 8 pin sprocket would wake it up a bit. The 441 just screams through the wood.

PA Plumber · Jun 30, 2007

wood rat said:
Great Then that is the saw for you

get back to me in ten years and let me know if you still like swinging all that weight around so you can brag on how big your saw is ?

Shorter time with the saw because it cuts faster, or holding the saw longer because it cuts slower. Are there really any shortcuts up the mountain? Sounds like pure preference to me.

oldsaw · Jun 30, 2007

Peacock said:
Today I was helping a buddy who sells firewood. We were cutting nothing but oak(white, red and chestnut) and hickory. We ran each saw with a 20" bar and sharp RSC chains. In 18-19" hickory the 441 and 660 were almost dead even. The 361 was a good 4-5 seconds slower. The 441 beat the 660 in chainspeed, but you could really lean on the 660. I was surprised how much slower the 361 was. I figured the 441 would run with the 660 until bigger bars were involved.

That is all.

Up the sprocket size on the 660, and things will change.

Mark

Peacock · Jun 30, 2007

oldsaw said:
Up the sprocket size on the 660, and things will change.

Mark

Yeah, I figure so. The best we could was aggressively lower the rakers. It did help a bit.

IchWarriorMkII · Jun 30, 2007

I have long since been conflicted with trading the 460 in for a 441.

This doesn't help.

Peacock · Jun 30, 2007

IchWarriorMkII said:
I have long since been conflicted with trading the 460 in for a 441.

This doesn't help.

Doesn't the 441 struggle at altitude? Maybe that helps! :givebeer:

IchWarriorMkII · Jun 30, 2007

Can I borrow yours and run it side by side :givebeer:

Ill send it back with a fiddy taped to the handle :spam:

bcorradi · Jun 30, 2007

Interesting report. Mark is right that if you increased the sprocket pins on the 66 it would start to spread itself from the 441. With your current setup the gap will probably tighten (between the 361 and the 441/660) if you were cutting smaller 12-14" hickory. Once you go up in wood size the combination of having chainspeed and displacement to pull it, play a big part in cut speed.

Peacock · Jun 30, 2007

Here's a pic of some a BIG white oak at my friend's house. This is from Brown County Indiana.

sILlogger · Jul 2, 2007

so where is the big white oak in that pic??? just messing with u, looks like a yard tree???

Pollock777 · Jul 2, 2007

440/660

I use to think the same thing ang I found out a while ago that the 066/660 is made for big wood and can pull a 36" bar no problem. The 044/440/441 what ever your running. Personal I like a 20" bar or 24" bar on them I run 2-440 mag with 20" and 2-044 with 24" bars and love the way they go through any kind of wood like warm butter. This is just what I like. :laugh:

sILlogger · Jul 2, 2007

my 046 wears a 20" for bucking up logs, and my 066/660 wears a 24" for everyday use and a 36" for anything big

Andyshine77 · Jul 2, 2007

In 18-19" hickory or oak the 361 just doesn't have the jam to keep up with a good 70cc saw.

Now that I'm thinking about oak and hickory, it brings up a question that I have. What do you think is easer to cut, oak or hickory? I personally find it harder to cut hickory.

Stihl4life · Jul 2, 2007

How does the 440 compare to the 441? I almost bought one but didnt want to spend the extra money

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