2.8l v6 engine on a band sawmill?

[redheadwoodshed]

Now we're gettin' somewhere! Thanks fellers, I still have the 5 speed transmission and everything, so I have the flywheel.I hadn't thought of a 12v clutch on a jackshaft.I had considered using the transmission and all but that would be a bit long in the footprint and heavier, although, it's out of a 4wd , so I would have another pto to run a drive off of, which I plan on adding at some point, no sense having that much power and not getting everything you can out of it. I have a 18" pulley, too and an odd assortment of other sizes. I looked at some pto's for stationary engines, but I could buy a big Kohler for the price of one of those.

 

[Jim Timber]

So run a hydraulic pump off your jack shaft too. I wouldn't keep any more of the driveline than the flywheel, and having a belt eliminates a lot of your alignment problems right out the gate.

You could run it on the front of the engine as well, but the accessories aren't intended for a lot of side load, and a big pump might be a little much to be hung out there in the breeze figuratively speaking. Solid mount it along side your engine and you can either run it off the shaft or off another groove on the flywheel.

 

[user 64030]

I would think an electric clutch would hit to hard given the hp output of the engine. They have two positions on & off an no way to ease into the on position. I know on my mowe when I hit the switch for the blades the electric clutch kicks in the blade deck jolts violently as the blades go from 0 to 10K RPM (or whatever) in a split second.

If you did use a clutch system at least w/ the automotive clutch you will ease the lever out and the hit to your equipment down the line will be lessened.


dw

 

[Boleclimber]

I would go with less of an engine for economic reasons. With that much power you would want to run a much larger band and have it cut forwards and back. A mill set up with such a band is huge investment in time and money.

 

[redprospector]

You're on the right track!
I didn't use a V-6 but a 1600cc VW engine works good.
Over kill is a good thing, you can run a hydraulic pump and eliminate any electric drive motors.
Depending on what blade you choose to run you will need to gear it to turn the blade somewhere between 4500 and 5200 fpm.
Here's a few pics.

It works better than a SpeeCo 22 ton splitter.

Andy

 

[redprospector]

Now we're gettin' somewhere! Thanks fellers, I still have the 5 speed transmission and everything, so I have the flywheel.I hadn't thought of a 12v clutch on a jackshaft.I had considered using the transmission and all but that would be a bit long in the footprint and heavier, although, it's out of a 4wd , so I would have another pto to run a drive off of, which I plan on adding at some point, no sense having that much power and not getting everything you can out of it. I have a 18" pulley, too and an odd assortment of other sizes. I looked at some pto's for stationary engines, but I could buy a big Kohler for the price of one of those.

Don't over engineer the drive. I had a plate made with a shaft centered & ballanced. It bolts on to the flywheel where the clutch would go. You can run the blade direct drive, or put a snap over center pulley to tighten the belt rather than a clutch. You may need the bell housing (or part of it anyway) to mount your starter on.
It takes a lot of head scratchin', but I'll bet you can get her hummin'.

Andy

 

[user 64030]

... You may need the bell housing (or part of it anyway) to mount your starter on. ...


Andy

Yes, all Ford engines (well I'm not sure of the current engines) the starter bolts to the bell-housing. The bell housing and flywheel are matched, as they would use a different flywheel/bell-housing in different cars to save tunnel space.

dw

 

[redprospector]

I would go with less of an engine for economic reasons. With that much power you would want to run a much larger band and have it cut forwards and back. A mill set up with such a band is huge investment in time and money.

That would be the optimum if it could be made into a double cut mill. But the economic's of a larger engine are surprising sometimes.
I've ran a lot of different band mills. The last one I ran before I built this one had a 24 horse Kohler, It would burn between 8 & 10 gallons a day (depending on how I felt that day). This mill, while pushing over twice the horse power, and probably 5 or 6 times the torque will only burn 6 to 7 gallons in a day. Just not as much strain on the engine I guess. The Kohler ran at 3600 rpm to be able to power through bigger logs, the VW runs at about 2500 - 2600 and just slips through them.

Andy

 

[mad murdock]

If You want to figure fuel consumption for any given engine, you need to know the BSFC(brake specific fuel consumption) then calculate the projected HP you will be using on the mill, multiply by the BSFC (which represents pounds of fuel per hp per hour), an engine that
Is designed to have 160BHP in a car, can easily be a fuel miser in a mill application, because you are not using the maximum hp that it can produce. Usually auto engine are more efficient than air cooled small engines like you Kohler or Honda.

 

[Wagnerwerks]

You guys need an old diesel rabbit engine. They can be had for a few hundred with a whole car attached. Then scrap the car and recoup some cash.

 

[redprospector]

You guys need an old diesel rabbit engine. They can be had for a few hundred with a whole car attached. Then scrap the car and recoup some cash.

Naw, I've got an inline 6 out of my wife's old 84 Volvo 760 GLE. I should have got rid of it a long time ago, but I keep thinking I'll use it somewhere. I've got a Cat 3054T out of an old ASV, and a Deutz 2011 oil cooled diesel. If I bring home any more engine's my wife may......well, you get the picture.

Andy

 

[DaltonPaull]

Andy - what did you use for a governor on your 1600?

 

[redprospector]

Andy - what did you use for a governor on your 1600?

I've got a belt drive governor hanging on the wall in the shed. Haven't installed it yet. It's really not much trouble to keep it where you want it.

Andy