.404 or .325 race chain?

[rupedoggy]

Tom Fales, Dennis Cahoon or Ed Heard, did any of you ever experiment with .404 or .325 chain for racing? Do you think either has possibilities? Mike

 

[Marky Mark]

Mike, I have had good results by filing up both and trying them out in the wood I want to cut. I will take my video camera out film both and the determine what's best for my application.
Hope this helps.
Barky

 

[ehp]

I will not use .325 on anysaw, even if it is not for racing, i hate the stuff
the 3/8 is faster for sure for racing, even on the 0-40 cc stock class the 3/8 chain was alot faster the reason is the height of the tooth , .325 is to low
now on .404 we are playing with it alot right now and are having very good results on rotax's
but we arenot going to beable until the spring to know for sure what is faster .404 or 1/2
the .404 is faster with a 18 tooth gear by quite alot over the 1/2 with a 12 tooth gear but have not put the 13 tooth gear on yet
the 1/2 inch is so hard to get out here we have to find something else to work and i honestly believe that the .404 chain with the taller tooth on it will be the chain to beat
it seems to cut very smooth and geared up you donot have to push much now. the 18 tooth is a big gear so you need a big belly bar to work

 

[ehp]

I know .404 is fast because it is the chain i have to use on the old ant. saws we race year 1960 or older
so i have spent sometime with this size
my ant, saw will out cut a 372 with a race chain on it so i know that you can get .404 to cut fast

 

[JimL]

I can't get .404 to cut anyfaster than 3/8

Im experimenting with different things, im not a racer just messin around. ive tried full house and regular without making the 404 faster.
course im running it on a new 088.. all stock. maybe my problem.

 

[JimL]

heres what im working on now. another 404 full house. im cutting the ass off the cutter instead of grinding back to the rear. needs alot of work yet but im getting there

 

[rupedoggy]

Most of the .404 that I see is .063 gage. The 3/8 that I see racing is usually .050 gage. Won't the extra weight hurt the performance a little? Mike

 

[ehp]

If your motor has balls no it will not hurt

 

[ehp]

You have to remember rupe we are not talking about chainsaws , we are talking about bike saws

 

[ehp]

And Art is using 1/2 inch on his 090 with a 6 tooth gear so if the weight was a problem , then why is it fast, 1/2 inch is going to out weight .404 by alot

 

[ehp]

i would like to see that if you can tom thanks

 

[ehp]

Yes Tom you are right on the top plate angle, the less angle does make it cut smoother but no one has said anything about the old .250 chain for racing in the small classes , it is real light cuts great , hard to find gears for but the gear companies make them, i have ran .250 in hardwood shows that i won so it will cut on a 2100 , there is other chain that people are playing with like 7/16 , it old but filed right is works Bush is trying 5/8 chain to

 

[Dennis Cahoon]

9/16 or 5/8's

ehp, David Bolstat ran 9/16''s on his rotax because he couldn't get any 1/2" the first year he was here. Melvin has told us that his dad, Mervin liked 9/16" better than 1/2" when they ran it years ago in the woods. Oregon # 3 and #4, this might be 5/8's but I think its 9/16. Mervin said it was a lot faster cutting than 1/2". I have some of this and the tooth is much bigger, but just like the 1/2" tooth. In big cuts, this chain might cut real fast! The only bad part is changing the sprockets, but I would to kick some ass! Dennis

 

[ehp]

that is why i bought a new milling machine with a new dividing head on it , i make gears with no problem now
Bush said that the 5/8 's cut real fast so i would think soon it will be out on his saws, i woulder if he got the bugs out of the new saw it is a 330 cc engine that is to turn a real high rpm, i know his bigger saw , if he gets it into the wood boy it is hard to beat

 

[Dennis Cahoon]

ehp, Matt's old saw seems to have a ton of power. I think for cutting 20" cuts they are going the right way, more rev, an chain speed for the new saw. I'd like to see Matt cut one big cut with his old saw. My 500 Honda cuts good on the big cuts, but would like to race him sometime. Dennis

 

[ehp]

i think matt is going to keep it,
they have built 5 top ends for the new saw and whatever is the fastest he will run, They had it ready for the stihl series last year but the timming was off a bit so Matt did not run it, well i guess it was going to be Cecil running it , Matt was going to run the old one any how. D and D racing seem to build a good motor, i know when i was grass dragging with snowmobiles they were the ones to beat here

 

[Dennis Cahoon]

Try Stoning it

JimL, I looked at your chain in your picture and will offer you some advise. Go make a cut or 2, and time them. Then, stone both sides of your chain and go make a couple more cuts in the same wood, using the same size an knot free wood for a fair test. Without thinning your chain down a bit, its not going to cut faster. Your also wasting a lot of tooth by grinding so much off the back of it. Dennis

 

[Dennis Cahoon]

ehp, Lemke sure don't like D&D's pipes on his rotax's. That area has some real good snowmobile guys.

 

[ehp]

He may not like d&d pipes but you have to say they do work
i now harry is running one
i was surprised that they got into bikesaws at all, they are more into snowmobiles
i have got Dave Jewett's old rotax here now and i am going to make a pipe for it so stumpy can cut the other way like him does with his 3120 plus this rotax is lazy compared to woodland's

 

[ehp]

ok guys this is the goddest honest trurth ,
have any of you guys seen the chain that Tiny's crosscut partner has made, he put the teeth on backwards and then filed it like you would file a crosscut, it is one hell of alot of work but it does cut . no better but as good , i know what you are thinking it will not work but it does work. a crooscut the cutter is in front of the racker backwards to a chainsaw chain so he made it that way