Adjustable Friction Saver

[lumberjack333]

Hey guys, just thought I'd throw up a pic of my new creation... With a little inspiration and research from previous posts on friction savers I went out and bought a couple new beaners and a Petzl P50 2" sealed bearing rescue pulley. Just wanted to throw up a pic to see what everyone thinks and say thanks for the information and inspiration. (What a difference it makes, climbing just got that much better!)

:greenchainsaw:

 

[beowulf343]

What kind of knot is on that pulley?

How long is that-looks quite a bit shorter than what i like but then again mine is primarily used to get out of stems.

Hate to be the safety police-but are screw locks your best bet?

 

[lumberjack333]

knot on the pulley is an anchor hitch backed with a figure eight, the rope was 6ft before knots, but I have a few lengths that I can swap components onto. Tri-action autolock would have been nice, but they are only REQUIRED as a climber attachment right? I know cheaping out on safety is generally frowned upon, but I feel comfortable with the screw locks as a TIP... correct me if I'm wrong though, thanks for the input, thats why i posted.

 

[moray]

This ought to keep the friction down, and it should be plenty safe.

But how do you plan to retrieve it? It is considered poor practice to just yank a pulley out of a tree. I know you can lower it softly with a throw line, but you end up with a godawful amount of throwline in the tree that has to be retrieved and stowed...

 

[lumberjack333]

Yeah, I just left the throwline tagged onto the end to lower it out, either that or I have to climb out with it on my harness and let the climbing line run on the tree for the descent... I'll have to find an easier way though, any suggestions?

 

[jomoco]

What's your guys beef with the regular leather tube cambium savers?

They're less expensive, far easier to install and retrieve, and far safer in my opinion.

Am I missing something?

jomoco

 

[lumberjack333]

No beef really, combination of an addiction to cool gear and the pulley makes that rope run like silk... as for saftey, I'm comfortable climbing with either system, I always inspect my harness, rope, prussik loop etc prior to climbing, I'd be more concerned with the actual tree failing than my gear. Although I intended to get a leather cambium saver just for ease of use, the adjustable pulley will be nice to have on long jobs though.

 

[DonnyO]

What's your guys beef with the regular leather tube cambium savers?

They're less expensive, far easier to install and retrieve, and far safer in my opinion.

Am I missing something?

jomoco

Nope, I prefer the one that Dan House developed,
http://www.newtribe.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=31_57

for all the reasons you mentioned.

Of course there is an exception.....Like Beowulf said, tying into a spar is much better with an adjustable style FS.

And lumberjack screwlinks are a no-no........

 

[joesawer]

knot on the pulley is an anchor hitch backed with a figure eight, the rope was 6ft before knots, but I have a few lengths that I can swap components onto. Tri-action autolock would have been nice, but they are only REQUIRED as a climber attachment right? I know cheaping out on safety is generally frowned upon, but I feel comfortable with the screw locks as a TIP... correct me if I'm wrong though, thanks for the input, thats why i posted.

If you put your climbing line in that rig and suspend yourself from it, it has become part of your "Climber Atachment".
A small ANSI certified screw link and a steel tri-acting caribeener, large enough for the screw link to pass through, works well for this kind of set up.

 

[lumberjack333]

Joesawer - do you mean using the tri-action as the large ring and the screw link as the small ring like on a regular false crotch? And, if I still have one screw link wouldn't that still allow the rig to pull out of the tree if the screw link failed? (I'm switching both to tri-action after all the warnings anyways.)

 

[joesawer]

Joesawer - do you mean using the tri-action as the large ring and the screw link as the small ring like on a regular false crotch? And, if I still have one screw link wouldn't that still allow the rig to pull out of the tree if the screw link failed? (I'm switching both to tri-action after all the warnings anyways.)

Yes, then you can have it adjustable and pass through for a choker if needed.

Not a screw lock caribeener, something like #P15 on this page.
http://www.baileysonline.com/search.asp?SKW=KW109&catID=32
Tighten the link with a wrench, and use some lock tight if it makes you feel better.
Make sure it is ANSI certified as there are a lot of cheap import junk ones out there.

 

[(WLL)]

What's your guys beef with the regular leather tube cambium savers?

They're less expensive, far easier to install and retrieve, and far safer in my opinion.

Am I missing something?

jomoco

you can tie to a flag pole if need be. imo the rg/adj false crotch is far better than any tube and makes for a much safer tie-in on removals.