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Oregon_Rob

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Thought the air cooled, two cycle junkies would enjoy this.
From the duck hunting site I frequent. Guy wanted a trolling motor with out the battery.
 
I wonder if it will turn the prop at idle or just stall.
Probably a Homelite 25cc engine, or I think they make a 31cc.

Not nearly as quiet as an electric, and some of those electrics put out a lot of thrust now.

Neat idea though
 
He reported that he got about 5 mph out of it, you can see the box he was pushing, and when the prop hit bottom or vegitation, it would stall.
I give him credit for trying something new!
 
Sometimes duck hunters and trappers use flat-bottom jon-boats pushed by rigs like this. The Dept of natural resources also have a few for doing census counts, etc. The idea is that the operator is able to watch exactly what is happening with the prop, is able to get significant thrust right up to the point that the boat runs out of draft. Crossing logs, snad bars, mud flats, etc. are all possible without damage to motor because operator is able to lift the prop clear very quickly and easily.

There was a movie about 30 years ago called "Dirt", depicting all sorts of off road racing, hill climbs, observed trials, etc. Whether it is still taking place or not is unknown, but I remember a boat race using these rigs...the boat was little more than a glorified surfboard, and the operator stood in the rear, operating the motor. Actually a pretty tough race, demanding strategy...the winner was the fellow who made it the longest before crashing, which everyone did, spectatcularly.

I can't remember details, but there are suppsedly two companies still making them...both use the engine of customer choice, custom adapted to the driveshaft. One popular engine is the Techumseh 2 -stroke because it adapts easily, and is cheap. Some commercial clearing saws work, but are too expensive to cannibalize for this use. The DNR units use detuned yamaha Kart engines, I believe.
 
Here are a couple of different approaches.


http://www.gatortraxboats.com/

If you have a decent internet connection, check out he video with this one.
http://www.prodriveoutboards.com/

They are typically called mud motors. Several companies are making them and so far the highest HP production motors are 31 hp Kohler and B&S type. I think the natural next step would be to use a VW motor, for max power. When these guys get into
Mud, the prop just keeps going and works more as an auger. It is becoming very common in the SE.

Some of these guys carry winches for when they really get stuck. I think a Chainsaw winch would work well! Is that enough to be considered staying on topic?
 
Thanks, Oregon. Those boats make the puny little 5 hp air-cooled jobs I'm thinking of look pretty silly.

I would question the use of a VW engine, however. I've been inside a number of them, tried to make some HP while staying w/in legal limits of formula Vee racing rules. Engines are lightweight compared to American cast iron, but have some inherent problems. There are other, better options, too.

As a kid, I was kinda partial to Hirth and Rotax snomobile engines...Hirth managed to stay alive and is still making power units of many sizes...<a href="http://216.239.39.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.hirth-engines.de/deutsch/Motorinformation%25203701ES.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhirth%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG">here's one for lightweight aircraft</a>. As you can see, it has 100 hp in a 130lb package; I'm sure more twist could be had.
 

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