All JASO rated 2 cycle oils list.

[BuckMKII]

While researching JASO FD rated oils this morning I came across the official JASO webpage showing all the oils that are certified either FB, FC, and or FD. The list is current and was updated 1 May 2015. Some of you guys may want to check the link out so here it is. http://www.jalos.or.jp/onfile/pdf/2T_EV_LIST.pdf

I currently have a few oils in my shed. Of the ones I have, Motul 710 is the only one officially rated FD. The Stihl HP Ultra (supposedly rated FB) is not on the official list. Also have oils marked "Meets JASO FD & ISO-L-EGD specifications" but not officially tested.

 

[Big_Wood]

book marked that link. thanks for posting!

 

[Cope1024]

My Echo Premium and Red Armor are there. Thanks for sharing.

 

[2dogs]

Nothing I use is on that list. Besides, why do I care what the Japanese Oil Standards say since they are primarily concerned with smoke output.

 

[KenJax Tree]

That was posted 200 pages ago in the most epic oil thread AS has ever seen[emoji2]

 

[nitehawk55]

Didn't see Amsoil Saber but it's FD rated .

 

[KenJax Tree]

Nothing I use is on that list.

That doesn't mean anything really...the only ones on the list are the ones that actually paid to have a rating.

 

[KenJax Tree]

Didn't see Amsoil Saber but it's FD rated .

It claims to be like many others, and it very well might be but Amsoil doesn't pay something like $40K to be rated so they just say it meets the guidelines. The oils that are actually rated have a big FD and a 9 digit code under it

 

[cgraham1]

Used motor oil from my Cummins diesel, mixed at 16:1. I've piss-revved all my saws at least once on this mixture, so I see no reason to switch to something else. Now, I don't use any of my saws to cut actual wood... But I'm sure that it would be fine in a commercial setting, as well.

Why the hell are we talking about oil, again?

 

[Hinerman]

My Echo Premium and Red Armor are there. Thanks for sharing.

I have some Red Armor to try next. Do you know if it is full-synthetic or not?

 

[Whitespider]

I wouldn't get to hung up on the FB/EGB/FC/EGC/FD/EGD ratings... the difference in them has little or nothing to do with lubricity, it's mostly about the detergency.
Really, not much except the amount of "soap" has changed since the FB/EGB rating (and maybe a little less smoke for the FC/EGC rating).

Specifications for Two Stroke Oil

• NMMA TC-W3 – two cycle water-cooled, third generation. TC-W3 obsoletes TC-W & TC-WII. Oils with this spec do not use metal based additives, and are ashless. This is an outboard specific spec.
• API TC – only API spec established for two cycle engines. It regulates lubricity, detergency, ash content & pre-ignition. Oils with this spec are typically using metal based, ash producing additives.
• JASO FA – original spec established regulating lubricity, detergency, initial torque, exhaust smoke and exhaust system blocking.
• JASO FB – increased lubricity, detergency, exhaust smoke and exhaust system blocking requirements over FA.
• JASO FC – lubricity and initial torque requirements same as FB, however far higher detergency, exhaust smoke and exhaust system blocking requirements over FB.
• JASO FD - same as FC with far higher detergency requirement.
• ISO-L-EGB – same tests and requirements as JASO FB.
• ISO-L-EGC – same tests and slightly higher detergency requirements (piston varnish) as JASO FC.
• ISO-L-EGD – same tests and requirements as JASO FD.

www.rm-e.no/media/two-stroke-oil.pdf

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[Whitespider]

It claims to be like many others, and it very well might be but Amsoil doesn't pay something like $40K to be rated so they just say it meets the guidelines.

Yep... commonly the words are "Meets or Exceeds"... but not actually spent the big bucks to be tested and rated by JASO, ISO, or whatever.
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[the GOAT]

Used motor oil from my Cummins diesel, mixed at 16:1. I've piss-revved all my saws at least once on this mixture, so I see no reason to switch to something else. Now, I don't use any of my saws to cut actual wood... But I'm sure that it would be fine in a commercial setting, as well.

Why the hell are we talking about oil, again?

Don't you have a saw to go polish?

 

[Deleted member 83629]

I have some Red Armor to try next. Do you know if it is full-synthetic or not?

red armor is full synthetic and contains ester based oil according to the MSDS
i have used the oil and liked it but it is expensive.

 

[Whitespider]

...why do I care what the Japanese Oil Standards say since they are primarily concerned with smoke output.

I could not agree more.
The Japanese (JASO) and European (ISO) oils standards are a solution to a problem that don't exist unless you're running a choked down moped on cheap gas.
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