anyone else use rope clips instead of carbiners for thier up ropes?

[voxac30dude]

just curious how many of you use a rope clip instead of a carabiner for you main line?

 

[EdenT]

and I wanna know how many of you say ''to hell with karabiners and ropeclips, I'm goin' with a keyring"?

PS Sorry couldn't help myself, you get my drift?

 

[Tree Pig]

I do. I buy most my line with a tied eye. Pass the eye through the captive eye on the clip over the top and tighten up. 2 seconds and your securely hooked up. I prefer a steel eye for the extra weight for advancing the rope.

 

[TreEmergencyB]

i use a steel rope snap/clip on the end of my climbing line and a petzl william krab for my e2e

 

[JeffL]

Aluminum biners all the way, and carry a 14oz throwball on the saddle for rope advancement. Spliced eyes for the win.

 

[voxac30dude]

i use a steel rope snap/clip on the end of my climbing line and a petzl william krab for my e2e

im thinking of doing the same. rope clip for the tie in and william caribiner for my eye to eye. but are rope clips any safer?

 

[treemandan]

I haven't come across a rope snap that seemed smooth enough to run on my saddle's rope bridge but I am looking to retire 4 of my AL. beeners.

 

[BRCCArborist]

I only have a rope snap on my lanyard and soon I'll have all locking biners on that too.

 

[Sunrise Guy]

Phased out biners long ago, except for the end of my split tail. While other climbers are messing with their biners, I'm already up to where I need to be. I use an anchor hitch to secure my ropes to the clips. While the bend is a bit more severe than on a biner, the ease of using the clips vs. using biners justifies their use, for me. I do inspect my ropes, daily, as everyone should, and I retie my knots to keep any one section of rope bent for too long a time.

 

[treemandan]

Phased out biners long ago, except for the end of my split tail. While other climbers are messing with their biners, I'm already up to where I need to be. I use an anchor hitch to secure my ropes to the clips. While the bend is a bit more severe than on a biner, the ease of using the clips vs. using biners justifies their use, for me. I do inspect my ropes, daily, as everyone should, and I retie my knots to keep any one section of rope bent for too long a time.

Yes, the clips are easier though the bend is greater but thimbles can be used I suppose. Anyone know of a clip that can run nice on a rope bridge? Actually I am using a 16 strand safety vee for abridge so I guess any clip would work. I might make the swap, I still would use Al to save wieght but after what happened to JPS I am a little leary.

 

[outofmytree]

just curious how many of you use a rope clip instead of a carabiner for you main line?

Just to sure we are talking about the same thing you mean one of these right?

No thanks. Even if it wasn't a breach of OHS regs over here there is no way I would use a 2 action device to secure my lifeline. All you have to do is push that puppy up to a branch with your belly and pop, you are now hanging on an open hook. I will stick to my steel quadlocks.

This is the product description from the suppliers website.

All steel construction
20mm gate opening
Automatic closing and locking
Double action security
Quick and easy to open with one hand
Easily used by left and right handed persons
Fixed attachment eye

 

[voxac30dude]

Just to sure we are talking about the same thing you mean one of these right?

No thanks. Even if it wasn't a breach of OHS regs over here there is no way I would use a 2 action device to secure my lifeline. All you have to do is push that puppy up to a branch with your belly and pop, you are now hanging on an open hook. I will stick to my steel quadlocks.

This is the product description from the suppliers website.

All steel construction
20mm gate opening
Automatic closing and locking
Double action security
Quick and easy to open with one hand
Easily used by left and right handed persons
Fixed attachment eye

yep those are the ones im talking about.

 

[treemandan]

Just to sure we are talking about the same thing you mean one of these right?

No thanks. Even if it wasn't a breach of OHS regs over here there is no way I would use a 2 action device to secure my lifeline. All you have to do is push that puppy up to a branch with your belly and pop, you are now hanging on an open hook. I will stick to my steel quadlocks.

This is the product description from the suppliers website.

All steel construction
20mm gate opening
Automatic closing and locking
Double action security
Quick and easy to open with one hand
Easily used by left and right handed persons
Fixed attachment eye

Yup, your right and that is something I was considering myself. Do you have a pic of these " quadlocks"?

 

[tomtrees58]

yes i used them but i am the old guy here climbing now 36 years tom trees

 

[TreEmergencyB]

Yes, the clips are easier though the bend is greater but thimbles can be used I suppose. Anyone know of a clip that can run nice on a rope bridge? Actually I am using a 16 strand safety vee for abridge so I guess any clip would work. I might make the swap, I still would use Al to save wieght but after what happened to JPS I am a little leary.

I think this might work for ya

http://www.sherrilltree.com/Professional-Gear/Aluminum_2/SnapHook

 

[jomoco]

Just to sure we are talking about the same thing you mean one of these right?

No thanks. Even if it wasn't a breach of OHS regs over here there is no way I would use a 2 action device to secure my lifeline. All you have to do is push that puppy up to a branch with your belly and pop, you are now hanging on an open hook. I will stick to my steel quadlocks.

This is the product description from the suppliers website.

All steel construction
20mm gate opening
Automatic closing and locking
Double action security
Quick and easy to open with one hand
Easily used by left and right handed persons
Fixed attachment eye

I'm going to go against the popular belief here and say that oldschool ropesnaps from the 60's are safer than new fangled ropesnaps of today.

Why? Because of a fellow called Murphy and his devil's advocate law.

Today's double locking ropesnaps are so thin, with so many springs, that all it takes is one dufus tying into a tree using it as an anchor attachment for the tree, dropping it, and screwing up all the critical alignment criteria for that ropesnap meeting it's minimum safety ratings.

Where as an oldschool ropesnap from the 60's would've taken it and invited more abuse!

How well I remember filing down the mushroomed gate of an oldschool ropesnap to allow it to move enough to clip onto my oversized D rings, instead of some of these miniature D rings today that can get a climber killed.

Must be an irish thing because Magargal and I are the only oldschool climbers that have publicly complained about the fragility of today's systems in a murphy world.

I too use ropesnaps rather than biners for my primary lifeline attachment using a two D ring lower belt, no floating bridge BS.

jomoco

 

[ATH]

Is there an advantage of one over the other? I am too lazy to grab the ANSI book, but don't they want triple action?

To me, it seems that carabiners are a tad safer. The are a tad more difficult to open (one reason they are safer), but not much harder. There are many many more experienced climbers here than I, and I have little or no trouble opening triple action biners (ball lock/Tri-action/posi-lock...) with one hand.

 

[outofmytree]

Yup, your right and that is something I was considering myself. Do you have a pic of these " quadlocks"?

These are the krabs I use.

and another style with same action

Now there is hair splitting over whether these should be termed triples or quads but whatever title you give them it requires 3 seperate and distinct movements to "prime" the gates and then you can open it. Thats one more action than the standards require here but frankly I will accept the loss of speed for the increase in safety. Its my opinion that when I am up a tree I want to be thinking about where and how to climb/cut/deadwood etc.. than to be focussed on "is my krab closed"?

 

[Sunrise Guy]

These are the krabs I use.

and another style with same action

Now there is hair splitting over whether these should be termed triples or quads but whatever title you give them it requires 3 seperate and distinct movements to "prime" the gates and then you can open it. Thats one more action than the standards require here but frankly I will accept the loss of speed for the increase in safety. Its my opinion that when I am up a tree I want to be thinking about where and how to climb/cut/deadwood etc.. than to be focussed on "is my krab closed"?

Interesting. I have found that the triple-action biners can be pretty "sneaky" when it comes to actually being closed. That is, they will sometimes look like they're closed but, in reality, they will not do the final twist that locks them. I have never had that problem with my snaps. Once the gate hits the crook, that puppy is locked.

 

[Slvrmple72]

Been using the clips on the ends of my lanyards, both steel core and non. The steelcore has a steel one and the other is the 20 foot Trango Cinch setup from Sherrilltree with the Italian made aluminum snap, I think somebody posted the pic of the snap in this thread. I use a couple of older steel snaps on the ends of my rigging ropes for lowering. Quicker than tying and untying, half hitch and then clip, cut , and gone! Groundie gets slack, unclips, and sends it back. I still use biners for my climbing line. Aluminum triple actions and yes when they get dirty or scratched up the action can get compromised. Clean'em, blast'em with air, graphite the action, or toss'em out if they are too far gone. Those thimbles are great for reducing the wear on your ropes from a tight bend radius! I like the snaps with the steel thimble already attached. Treemandan, what happened to JPS? I thought that his line came undone... or is this another incident?