Anyone here of these people?

[John Paul Sanborn]

http://www.arboriculturesolutions.com/default.htm

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Originally posted by RockyJSquirrel

Oh, FYI: It's hear, not here. You hear with your ear, while here is the opposite of there.

'magine that!

 

[Guy Meilleur]

Nope. They sure do write long sentences: "Whether your interest lies within our Professional Tree Climbing or Rigging courses for the practicing arborist, or the Electrical Hazard Recognition Program for your entire crew, we strive to provide a better understanding of the equipment and techniques required.

Our instructors work hands-on, combining professional, technical and vocational skills, with the students throughout the duration of the course, both in the classroom and in the field, to increase the talent and safety of the tree care professional."

So it's another climbing/rigging instruction company. No mention of diagnostic or management techniques; just how to move around in a tree without killing yourself. Reinforces the perception that all arborists do is climb and cut, unless I'm missing something. Serves a purpose for newbies tho, eh?

 

[Guy Meilleur]

Originally posted by RockyJSquirrel
Oh, FYI: It's hear, not here. You hear with your ear, while here is the opposite of there.

Slow day, eh skwerl? That's a tiny nit to pick. As long as the meaning is clear, let's let the little stuff go, OK?

"Treeman14 (Brett) also sent two employees to this guy last year, too bad both were gone within a couple months."

I hope they rebated the tuition cost to their too-kind former boss.

 

[jimmyq]

Quote from Guy M. -
"No mention of diagnostic or management techniques; just how to move around in a tree without killing yourself. "
I liked this line Guy, gave me a reason to chuckle, I think you hit the nail on the head about tree care once again. So many focus on what to amputate, so few learn or teach about other things. ps. Has anyone heard from Bob W. lately?

 

[Stumper]

John, If only you had played your cards a little closer! I thought you were asking if those folks were on the site-HERE.

 

[Crofter]

JPS; Watch yourself, Rocky is jockeying for your job and with his excellent spelling you wouldnt have a chance if it came to a vote! He also is of known even temperment, has no preconceived notions or misconceptions; if he were to admit of any fault whatsoever it would have to be excessive modesty.

Frank

 

[Guy Meilleur]

"to increase the talent and safety of the tree care professional."
I'm all for climbers learning safe and efficient climbing. But the talent of the tree care professional involves way more than that. Maybe they do live up to their name and mix in arboriculture as a solution; I hope they take the time to do that.

Rodent: "most people consider arborists as nothing more than uneducated hicks with chainsaws."
Better misspelling from someone who understands tree care than term paper-perfect grammar from a mercenary removal expert.

I'd much rather trust my trees to a bad speller who knows biology than to a good speller who's less educated in tree care and disses those who try to grow that part of their business.

Substance matters more than Style.

 

[Joe]

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[rahtreelimbs]

Originally posted by jimmyq
Has anyone heard from Bob W. lately?

If this is the Bob W. that I am thinking of, he grew up in my neck of the woods. He was solely responsible for getting my foot in the tree climbing world.

I believe he is in N. Carolina now.

 

[jimmyq]

Rocky. I think I should have worded my post a bit further. I wasn't commenting on the fellow at hand, I was just thinking broadly on what Guy had said, in a larger sense of the phrase so to speak. I see a lot of companies here that just seem to do a lot of cutting and chipping and not much more for trees, I think that there is a lot of stuff that could be better dealt with or better managed than with the use of a chainsaw. I think we are the ones that should be out there practicing that and preaching that. I am not chastising those of which I know nothing about, including any members or posters here on Arbosite, just offering my opinions freely as all are welcome to do here on the board, and reading the posts hoping to learn and open thought paths from those who can offer me knowledge and experience.

as for the Bob W, I meant Wulcowicz, I haven't heard from him since last year and I actually enjoyed his remarks, comments and dare I say it, wisdom.

cheers,
Paul

 

[Newfie]

"as for the Bob W, I meant Wulcowicz, I haven't heard from him since last year and I actually enjoyed his remarks, comments and dare I say it, wisdom"


He left in a snit after some refused to take his political views over in the OTF as the gospel truth. The last time someone mentioned his name he came back. Maybe his ears are burning now.

 

[Guy Meilleur]

Originally posted by Newfie
He left in a snit after some refused to take his political views over in the OTF as the gospel truth.

Bob and I talked a lot about pruning etc. here and at arborists.com. Sometimes we reached agreement; too often we got polarized on hands-off vs. hands-on philosophies of tree care. He did bring in a good abstract-engineering perspective and had fresh ideas.

I hear echoes of his hands-off philosophy from murph and maas now and then. nothing wrong with that like any idea unless held onto too tight; like the song "Hold on loosely, but don't let go..if you cling too tightly, you're gonna lose control."

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

Originally posted by Guy Meilleur
Bob and I talked a lot about pruning etc. here and at arborists.com. Sometimes we reached agreement; too often we got polarized on hands-off vs. hands-on philosophies of tree care. He did bring in a good abstract-engineering perspective and had fresh ideas.

I hear echoes of his hands-off philosophy from murph and maas now and then. nothing wrong with that like any idea unless held onto too tight; like the song "Hold on loosely, but don't let go..if you cling too tightly, you're gonna lose control."

His philosophy is more "saws-off". How many times did he say, "If all we have is saws, all we can do is cut."
Arborists as a whole, do cut too much, you can't deny that.
As for holding on to tightly, I see that in many of your posts, Guy. It's hard to let go of those ideas you've known were "correct" for all those years.

 

[wiley_p]

I went and heard Mattheck last week and he said the same thing He hopes that in the near future an arborist will not always be reaching for a saw, but excercising the many other options in tree care. I grew sick of what I perceive as narrow minded approach to Arboriculture in my area, so I went back to working in the woods. I've found that most folks cut and chip wood, that is the extrent of tree care, not the only thing I'm passionate about so, I now cut wood on a more serious level.

 

[Guy Meilleur]

Originally posted by Mike Maas
Arborists as a whole, do cut too much, you can't deny that.
Absolutely.
It's hard to let go of those ideas you've known were "correct" for all those years.

Absolutely. Harder yet to let go of a new idea that isn't always right. :blush:

"Mattheck said He hopes that in the near future an arborist will not always be reaching for a saw, but excercising the many other options in tree care."

Wiley, the future is now. The saw is not the first tool out of many arborists' toolbags. What else did Mattheck say?

"cut and chip wood, that is the extrent of tree care, not the only thing I'm passionate about so,"

So, how hard is it to practice arboriculture? If you're passionate about tree care, isn't there some way you can do that?

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Originally posted by Guy Meilleur


So, how hard is it to practice arboriculture? If you're passionate about tree care, isn't there some way you can do that?

Sometimes it's hard to find a client bae to start with, you are lucky (or smart, I never asked how you ended up there from Chi, to MKE to Haight-Ashbury...) to have moved to an affluent of prople who care about preserving what they have.

I noted the website because I liked what I read and thought they would deserve mention. It looks like Mr Lilley has been active in the industy network for much of his carrer.

I think any formalized introductory training is a good thing, too many have been self taught, or picked poor habits from people who were. Many have seen a company "top climber" and think he is the greatest, only because that is all theyve been exposed to.

Why we harp on getting people to the climbing events so they can watch and network with other climbers. One reason I recomend people hire outside help form time to time, a chance for people to share and network

Brian does not ruffle my feathers, I think it's funny that he still gets annoyed by my spelling/gramer/syntax after these few years. I think he still holds a grudge for me calling him a good climber, when he knows he's the best in FLA

 

[murphy4trees]

It's ll the same to me... Education is education and there is a huge gap to fill in this industry... How many climbers using advanced friction hitches are hacks??? God this industry is full of hacks... Working for multi- million dollar companies.
So education is needed and progressive climbing and rigging techniques are just a stepping stone to a grerater awareness about trees... 5 yars ago I used to gut and elevate trees... all with good target cuts... thinking how great those trees looked when I was done... Now I cringe in thinking about those days..
And a one day training with Mark Chisholm was my gateway to this new awareness..
I may not be much for pathology and treatment to this day... but at least I "do no harm"... I've been arguing against the use of .......N-P-K..... since 1986....

 

[Treeman14]

Originally posted by Guy Meilleur
"Treeman14 (Brett) also sent two employees to this guy last year, too bad both were gone within a couple months."

I hope they rebated the tuition cost to their too-kind former boss.

Yeah, right.

 

[Guy Meilleur]

Originally posted by John Paul Sanborn
from Chi, to MKE to Haight-Ashbury...) to have moved to an affluent of prople who care about preserving what they have.
What a long, strange trip it's been...But people everywhere know at some level that trees have value. It takes constant promoting to build on that enough to build a business on tree care. But what I was asking wiley was, why not stick with urban tree work and grow the "care" aspect of that as he is able?

too many have been self taught, or picked poor habits from people who were. getting people to the climbing events so they can watch and network with other climbers.

I wish I'd have gone to a climbing school or contest early on. I'm pretty much stuck with what I know because I've been doing it so long I don't trust most other ways too much.

And if grammar and syntax was a disqualifier, we'd have a different president. If language choice mattered that much, we'd have a different veep. Dream on...