I guess I'll be the one to say that I did not care for them too much. They are very comfortable around the pad and lightweight, but I do not care for the design as far as the gaffs are concerned. They typically come with pole spurs, so if you are serious your gonna wanna get the longer tree gaffs. I just did not like the way that they set and was not very impressed. Of course I live in Oregon and it is not all smooth deciduous trees around here so I'll stick with my Bashlin replaceable straights.My .02$