arguement with an Arborist

[diltree]

Your so good at playing the devils advocate, your BS skills are masterful:hmm3grin2orange:

You make a good point, so what would you do in this situation? a private tree in a city right of way....do you make the home owner happy and use tree protection systems, or cover the city's liability and hack the tree, or even remove the tree? Cant some sort of waiver be signed by the homeowner to cover both ends and come to a amicable resolve.

 

[hornett22]

who the hell is paying for this tree?

if it's not her tree and she has no say,why does she have to pay? the city can pay.i'd tell her to get a lawyer. gotta love that new england logic.

 

[diltree]

Your right, if its the city's call then they should pay for the work.

 

[Canyonbc]

Wow, someone needs to adjust the meds..........:notrolls2:

I'll play devils advocate on this one just for fun. I don't like using cables in street trees because if the tree should fail in a storm and get sent through a chipper, bye bye chipper. One less crew in an emergency.

Also a cable is an admission that there is a structural weakness in the tree. An acceptable level of risk for a tree on private property, not the same for a municipality, especially in a roadway.

Don't forget, the homeowner doesn't actually have a say, its not her tree despite the fact that it is right in front of her house.

Well i dont no to much about Cabling or Bracing so i dont want to speak on either side.

I think you make a good point but my question is what is going to be better for A. the tree B. The SAFETY, for the homeowner, Pedestrian walking down the street, and cars...

Just trying to play devils advocate back...not start a fight, just find the best solution for this situation.

 

[lxt]

This is where it gets wierd, its technically the twp`s tree because it falls within their ROW, however much like a sidewalk in front of your house you the owner must maintain it, repair it, replace it, etc..

the intent is good but in certain situations applying it doesnt work!! to give some over sight about this town, Back in the 70`s dutch elm disease came through well the twp didnt want to incurr the costs so they reversed the ROW setbacks, thus giving the trees back to the property owners & letting them incurr the responsibility.

Due to an abundance of contractors & shoddy work they decided to re-enact that rule, regulation, ordinance or whatever!! to insure that only competent services performed the work, this happened in the early 90`s, im thinking it was to weed out the "hacks" so to speak, but the way its written some things should be ammended for certain situations, atleast my thinking!!


LXT..............

 

[OTG BOSTON]

Your so good at playing the devils advocate, your BS skills are masterful:hmm3grin2orange:

You make a good point, so what would you do in this situation? a private tree in a city right of way....do you make the home owner happy and use tree protection systems, or cover the city's liability and hack the tree, or even remove the tree? Cant some sort of waiver be signed by the homeowner to cover both ends and come to a amicable resolve.

I just tell people it's my way or the highway.......go pound sand if you don't like it!:hmm3grin2orange:

Seriously though I misunderstood the ownership of the tree as it has to do with its proximity to the public ROW. So maybe she does own the tree. I would personally move out of a town like that.

If residents of Boston want to hire someone to prune the city trees in front of their property, I let them, with certain stipulations. Then again I'm just a brainwashable idiot with an obnoxious salary:monkey:

 

[greg carr]

And you yell at people if they leave caps in a city tree for more than a month or two. Know-it-all!

 

[OTG BOSTON]

And you yell at people if they leave caps in a city tree for more than a month or two. Know-it-all!

It ain't easy always being right..........

 

[Dadatwins]

Due to an abundance of contractors & shoddy work they decided to re-enact that rule, regulation, ordinance or whatever!! to insure that only competent services performed the work, this happened in the early 90`s, im thinking it was to weed out the "hacks" so to speak, but the way its written some things should be ammended for certain situations, atleast my thinking!!


LXT..............

The problem with most ordinances and regs on ROW is that they are usually so outdated and filled with gray area that no one can decipher them. Your 'arborist' is probably reading enough of the ordinance to make sure his a$$ is covered, and your interest is serving the customer. Most municipal work is only thought out for quick short term fixes with no long term thought process involved, think of a city crew filling multiple potholes on a street that needs repaving. 'Close the work order' is the mantra that many in the government stand by. This gray area usually always has room for compromise also.

 

[DonnyO]

if it's not her tree and she has no say,why does she have to pay? the city can pay.i'd tell her to get a lawyer. gotta love that new england logic.

Last time I checked Pennsylvania was NOT part of New England:looser:

 

[treeseer]

What seems weirdest here is that if the trunk leaning away from the house is left, its isk of failing on the ROW increases. So the city arborist's anti-cabling position does not seem to be making citizens less safe.

Or am I missing something here??:blob6:

 

[Canyonbc]

I dont think your missing anything and i agree.

 

[hornett22]

i stand corrected.

Last time I checked Pennsylvania was NOT part of New England:looser:

as usual,i was not paying attention.:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[hornett22]

read it again.

I just tell people it's my way or the highway.......go pound sand if you don't like it!:hmm3grin2orange:

Seriously though I misunderstood the ownership of the tree as it has to do with its proximity to the public ROW. So maybe she does own the tree. I would personally move out of a town like that.

If residents of Boston want to hire someone to prune the city trees in front of their property, I let them, with certain stipulations. Then again I'm just a brainwashable idiot with an obnoxious salary:monkey:

did i say all? nope

i said most.there was a reason for that.

 

[OTG BOSTON]

did i say all? nope

i said most.there was a reason for that.

Wow, you've met MOST of the Municipal Arborists' in the world?

How 'bout it LXT? what happened?

 

[lxt]

The council,Home Owner,Arborist & I have agreed to meet on Dec 27th to discuss this situation. I did talk to a member of council briefly, He is also the township solicitor with good knowledge pertaining to the arborculture field(class & book study only).

It seems the current appointed arborist has had problems in protocol determination, the member of council told me they have a gentlemans agreement between themselves which does provide amendments for particular ROW settings. they are aware changes need made & an updated specification put in place.

apparently the Twp. Arborist is a by the book guy only!! where in the past it was determined on the setting(not entirely by the book), cant blame him though just doing what he was appointed to do. We`ll see on the 27th I will give updates as things progress.

LXT.........

 

[hornett22]

i have met most around here.

Wow, you've met MOST of the Municipal Arborists' in the world?

How 'bout it LXT? what happened?

and they fall into that category.complete knuckle heads.you i have respect for, from what i have gathered from your posts on here.you seem to care which i find rare in my experiences.

 

[OTG BOSTON]

and they fall into that category.complete knuckle heads.you i have respect for, from what i have gathered from your posts on here.you seem to care which i find rare in my experiences.

Wow :love1:

I have found that most of the ones I deal with care a lot, I guess the difference would be they are the ones who get involved.

lxt, don't forget to make it EASY for this guy to change his mind and see your point of view. Think of it as being in the holiday spirit!

 

[Dadatwins]

the member of council told me they have a gentlemans agreement between themselves which does provide amendments for particular ROW settings.

There is that 'gray area' I was talking about, every municipal entity has them, just have to know the politics to use them. Good luck.

 

[lxt]

Thanks guys!! will provide info after we all meet!!

OTG, hey I got a hold of the warden & forester association became a member & even got their handbook which is for MA only however I feel the same practices could be applied here as well & some of the municipalities I`ll be consulting with Im suggesting to them to contact the Assoc. for possible guidance!! thanks!


LXT..............