Matt Follett
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here it is
Attn Treetx, knut hitch
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NickfromWI
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Wow
Thank's Matt-
I've been looking for a picture of that one for quite some time now! Some one showed it to me a year ago...I tried..had it mastered, then I got home that night and could remember nothing!
I'll let you know how it goes!
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nick
Thank's Matt-
I've been looking for a picture of that one for quite some time now! Some one showed it to me a year ago...I tried..had it mastered, then I got home that night and could remember nothing!
I'll let you know how it goes!
love
nick
Matt Follett
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I guess I should add to this...
As mentioned in my conference post... this is a SELF advancing hitch, no need for the micro pulley as a fairlead, plus less concern with it setting then the sometimes scary VT (that woa,.... ..... oh, oh ,oh good! feeling before it catches), havent climbed in tree with it, will Monday
As mentioned in my conference post... this is a SELF advancing hitch, no need for the micro pulley as a fairlead, plus less concern with it setting then the sometimes scary VT (that woa,.... ..... oh, oh ,oh good! feeling before it catches), havent climbed in tree with it, will Monday
NickfromWI
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Self Advancing
That is exactly why I was fascinated by this knot. If I was ever stuck without a pulley...or needed the pulley for something else, I could turn to this knot as a way to still provide that one handed operation that we all love so much. A good think to have in your bag-o-trix.
love
nick
That is exactly why I was fascinated by this knot. If I was ever stuck without a pulley...or needed the pulley for something else, I could turn to this knot as a way to still provide that one handed operation that we all love so much. A good think to have in your bag-o-trix.
love
nick
mikecross23
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I'll probably try it no matter what, but I don't see how it doesn't need a slack tending pulley. It looks like a good hitch but how does it self advance when you pull the tail of the rope?
-Mike-
-Mike-
Matt Follett
ArboristSite Operative
as you pull the tail of your climbing rope it slacks off that lower bight of rope which then pushes against the coils, and releases the grip... along slides the knot
what is this howard hitch you speak of?
what is this howard hitch you speak of?
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Mahk
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Matt et al.
Just a word of caution.
I don't think that that is tied correctly. The last (bottom) turn should continue in a counter-clockwise direction, as the first four turns, rather than change and go clock-wise, .
Knut taught me this knot some time ago. Since then I have seen at least two (now three) other people showing the 'Knut knot'. All of these are different from each other and different from what Knut had showed me. Still, the other two climbers liked climbing with the hitch they were tying and said that they had had good results with it. I haven't seen this version before so I don't know how it will work.
Also be aware that, as with all of the so-called 'high performance' knots, this will respond differently depending on the length, type and diameter of both the climbing rope and the cord used to tie the hitch.
Mahk
Just a word of caution.
I don't think that that is tied correctly. The last (bottom) turn should continue in a counter-clockwise direction, as the first four turns, rather than change and go clock-wise, .
Knut taught me this knot some time ago. Since then I have seen at least two (now three) other people showing the 'Knut knot'. All of these are different from each other and different from what Knut had showed me. Still, the other two climbers liked climbing with the hitch they were tying and said that they had had good results with it. I haven't seen this version before so I don't know how it will work.
Also be aware that, as with all of the so-called 'high performance' knots, this will respond differently depending on the length, type and diameter of both the climbing rope and the cord used to tie the hitch.
Mahk
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treeclimber165
Member A.K.A Skwerl
Just a side note- SailNet has the 8mm Sta-Set (white) on sale for 22¢ per foot and free shipping. The white has a strength rating of 4400# also, I just ordered another 100' since I seem to either burn up or give away an awful lot of it. Those 'parachute' exits out of the canopy tend to burn it up quickly!
http://www.sailnet.com/store/item.cfm?pid=27014
http://www.sailnet.com/store/item.cfm?pid=27014
Another side note:
"Knut" is the Swedish word for knot !
Very cool hitch by the way, thanks for sharing it.
I'm beginning to find a setup for the
the V.T. that works really well though, but it's always
nice to know a few extra tricks.
"Knut" is the Swedish word for knot !
Very cool hitch by the way, thanks for sharing it.
I'm beginning to find a setup for the
the V.T. that works really well though, but it's always
nice to know a few extra tricks.
Very interesting! Dr. X is really something else with that sight and all; i wish he would show up here more; been in chat a few times.
As pictured that would walk for sure i would think, but i gather that it is a 'closed' system? Kinda, think pic would help more if we defined that in it, just a suggestion as i always have thought this place should be a standard too for definitive naming and display knots for all the world.
i get a fair amount (i think) of self tending on a 3down/1up distel on a lanyard, i'm wondering if this will be better there as well as climbing. Presently would favour same on life line, with a key-chain-karab (for one hand engagement), carried just below the friction hitch on the host, but supported on the termination of the other leg of the climbing system 'DdRT'. Very clean, gracefully simple knot by design it seems to me.
Mr.Mahk, you generally seem to have something to say of depth and so it is so; but a pic would be safer, more clear to pass on so i won't fall!!!!!!
As pictured that would walk for sure i would think, but i gather that it is a 'closed' system? Kinda, think pic would help more if we defined that in it, just a suggestion as i always have thought this place should be a standard too for definitive naming and display knots for all the world.
i get a fair amount (i think) of self tending on a 3down/1up distel on a lanyard, i'm wondering if this will be better there as well as climbing. Presently would favour same on life line, with a key-chain-karab (for one hand engagement), carried just below the friction hitch on the host, but supported on the termination of the other leg of the climbing system 'DdRT'. Very clean, gracefully simple knot by design it seems to me.
Mr.Mahk, you generally seem to have something to say of depth and so it is so; but a pic would be safer, more clear to pass on so i won't fall!!!!!!
murphy4trees
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turmer twist
Anyone ever hear of the "turner twist"?
It's a very simple addition to a VT type hitch that makes it self tending... very cool!!!
Big Jon showed it to me... he said it was invented by Jim Roach aka Roachy. Roachy named it after his hometown, Turnersville NJ.
That said, I'll give you guys some time to think on it... The name (twist not turner) and the concept demonstrated in the above knut pic should be enough for you to figure it out...
So who'll get it first???
God Bless All,
Daniel
Anyone ever hear of the "turner twist"?
It's a very simple addition to a VT type hitch that makes it self tending... very cool!!!
Big Jon showed it to me... he said it was invented by Jim Roach aka Roachy. Roachy named it after his hometown, Turnersville NJ.
That said, I'll give you guys some time to think on it... The name (twist not turner) and the concept demonstrated in the above knut pic should be enough for you to figure it out...
So who'll get it first???
God Bless All,
Daniel
Mahk
ArboristSite Member
This is what Knut showed.
Sorry it took so long. I had to try a number of different camera settings and formats in order to find a combination that would post..
Tree Spider is right, this is a closed system.
Mahk
Sorry it took so long. I had to try a number of different camera settings and formats in order to find a combination that would post..
Tree Spider is right, this is a closed system.
Mahk
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Daniel, nice to see you back, kinda helps the balance.......
Thanx for pic Mahk, that is some knot, wonder if MikeMaas or some one with similar passion and gear has tested it for slip/break tendenciess.
Hope noone minds i accidentally sent a few pics to a local guy that writes for The Knot Tyer's Guild (of England). i try to run some things by him here and there.
Thanx for pic Mahk, that is some knot, wonder if MikeMaas or some one with similar passion and gear has tested it for slip/break tendenciess.
Hope noone minds i accidentally sent a few pics to a local guy that writes for The Knot Tyer's Guild (of England). i try to run some things by him here and there.
mikecross23
ArboristSite Guru
Now I can tell from the picture that Mahk posted how this hitch is self advancing. Looks to me like the lower wrap pushes the rest of the knot up the rope when you pull the tail of your climbing line.
Matt Follett
ArboristSite Operative
I see the differences..., I wonder if my version hasn't changed along the story teller line, but as I study Mahk's photo... does it not seem as though there would be some very real burn danger to the one leg as it passes under the bottom coil, seems to me that would be the heat point, similar or worse then the blake, and possibly far worse consequences. (I guess this would only be in the extreme circumstance of the very fast decent, which if we knew the risk.... and so forth...)
Just my rambling thoughts
, but as I study Mahk's photo... does it not seem as though there would be some very real burn danger to the one leg as it passes under the bottom coil, seems to me that would be the heat point, similar or worse then the blake, and possibly far worse consequences. (I guess this would only be in the extreme circumstance of the very fast decent, which if we knew the risk.... and so forth...)Just my rambling thoughts
treeclimber165
Member A.K.A Skwerl
The hitch looks very similar to a Distel and I can tell you from experience that the main friction point on fast descents is the top loop. All my old tres cords are burnt through the top layer right at the center of the top loop. The bottom loop would not be in much contact with the climbing line on descents.
