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More and more this year we have gotten into bee infested trees. We usually get it done after being stung but that is getting old. We have postponed some jobs until after the first frost but or course you get paid after the first frost too. I'm thinking about buying a bee keepers head protection veil and as we have using a rain suit and gloves for body protection. Any advice would be appreciated.
Jim
 
you might call a local bee keeper. if you got honey bee's they would probly be happy to romove them for you.
 
More and more this year we have gotten into bee infested trees. We usually get it done after being stung but that is getting old. We have postponed some jobs until after the first frost but or course you get paid after the first frost too. I'm thinking about buying a bee keepers head protection veil and as we have using a rain suit and gloves for body protection. Any advice would be appreciated.
Jim

my advice stay away.
 
I end up doing several bee trees every year. If you know in advance the hive is there you can sometimes call the county vector control, or have the home owner call a pest control service that deals with bees.
I personally hate killing honey bees. I've tried calling bee keepers but out here they charge several hundred dollars to collect the bees.
I think killing honey bees is wrong, with that being said; I've wiped out many a hive in my time. Realistically many times you have no other options.
I bought a beekeepers hat on e-bay and a little bee smoker. If I run into a hive unexpectedly up in a tree I'll quickly get the hell out of there, then return with a can of that spray foam insulation and try to seal them in there.(a can of wasp spray too) Coming back early in the morning before it warms up you can catch em before their active.
If am in an area where there are lots of people and a hive of angry bees might cause havoc such as a school or shopping center, I'll fill up a fire extinguisher with soapy water and spay it on the hive. Bad Karma but effective.(helps to have a boom.
A smoker works really good on bees. It makes them really docile. If its just a trim job, save the bee section for last, them have one person smoke them while the last part of the tree is done. Everyone is happy. I've also sealed them in then take that section out to a wooded area and kick it off the truck. No matter what get a bee hat. Beastmaster
 
i just started a couple of bee hives here this year.ill read up on how to remove a hive ive heard its prety easy (but ive only heard that). ill look it up and let yall know
 
Thanks for the information. We did have get a bee keeper to come twice but can't get him on the phone anymore. He did not charge and gave us some jars of honey. I agree we do not want to kill honey bees but sometimes you must to get paid and move on. The most recent case was not honey bees but was a wasp nest. We used the spray foam and got that job done>

We have two jobs on hold waiting for the first frost. After that they should be okay to do. I did order a bee keepers head net we will use with a rain suit when we need.
Thanks again
 
I would go into the night, smoke the hell out of them, cut inches above and below and make them a nice home to live in. the rest of the tree...on your disposal.
 
Get a bee suit they are not that expensive and handy for wasp eradication jobs. I,ve been learning how to handle my own bees its taken a while but gettin better each time. Sadly with tree work often you have to kill em as they can not be removed. I,ve used hole plugs called in apiarist and early starts to avoid and save.

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Ran into a nasty wasp nest in the hollowed portion of a basswood last month. Was stung 3 times while bailing out from 40 feet. Waiting for a morning with minus tempertures to do this removal.
 
Get a bee suit they are not that expensive and handy for wasp eradication jobs. I,ve been learning how to handle my own bees its taken a while but gettin better each time. Sadly with tree work often you have to kill em as they can not be removed. I,ve used hole plugs called in apiarist and early starts to avoid and save.

http://www.arboristsite.com/showthread.php?t=131678

Do the suits work 100 percent effectively?
 
Yes the bee suit works well. It took time to trust it, having angry buzzy bees all over ya is not easy. I am told my box of bees is a particular grumpy hive as they attack without provocation. I may need to requeen the box even with smoke honey collection is hard many kill em selves tryin to get me.

Unsure about how well the suit will work for your US wasp/hornets, bloody hell them critters are big, may be able to sting though the cotton and tshirt. Get some one else to test 1st that eh.
 
As a beekeeper, here is my advice...


-Bee suits are not 100% effective against stings. They can sting through the fabric, and through whatever you have on underneath... within reason. I've had them go through the suit + a tshirt before. The big benefit of a full length suit is you have given them very few places to get inside the suit... ankles and wrists. Throw on some boots and long gloves, and you've got decent protection.

-If a full suit is too much hassle (working around other gear), you can get a jacket, or even just the veil. Full length jeans offer decent protection... especially if in boots, or tuck pants into socks. Then tuck shirt into pants, and put on the jacket. If you're really cheap, just a veil, a white shirt, elastics around your wrists. The ultimate goal is to keep them out of your face.

-Various types of smoke can be used. I've heard good things about whole tabacco leaf (if you can find a source of dry leaf). Old burlap bags are also a good one. Another option is a 1:1 mixture of sugar water in a spray bottle. Makes it harder for them to fly, and gives them something to do.

-If you can't get a beekeeper to do a 'trapout' on the tree, you might want to try this:
staple/tape/nail screen around the section of tree they're entering through. Best done early morning or late at night, when they are inside. If you do it during the middle of the day, you'll have "field bees" returning home that can't get in... and they will be cranky. A roll/pack of window screen is fairly cheap, and combined with some duct tape, will seal them in fairly well.

Then, assuming it's possible (every tree is different), try to find where the hollow section ends (on both ends), and cut the whole hollow section out. If this is on the ground, it's much easier for a beekeeper to do a trapout on it, or for them to load the whole thing in a trailer and take it home. Sometimes you drop the whole tree and cut it out on the ground... sometimes you cut the section off while still in the air and lower it down... every situation is different.

-If you really need to subdue the hive, consider soapy water. Bees covered in soapy water can't breathe, and will suffocate fairly quickly.

-check local laws... some places have passed laws making it illegal to 'exterminate' honey bee hives.

-If you must spray some sort of chemical on the bees, don't even bother calling a beekeeper. They won't want the bees. Sort of like pouring Draino down a sink to clear a clog, then calling a plumber... If you don't inform them, they could suffer serious health affects from the exposure to the chemical.
 
I would go into the night, smoke the hell out of them, cut inches above and below and make them a nice home to live in. the rest of the tree...on your disposal.

And just so you know... the bees will be more defensive at night, in the dark. Less likely to fly off of you, more likely to crawl and find someplace to sting. As a beekeeper who has had to reassemble a hive at night after a bear attack... trust me!

I have heard one story of a beekeeper moving bees at night without tarps/nets (years ago when they weren't required I guess)... he's speeding a bit, cause he wants to get them delivered before the sun comes up. Police officer pulls him over... Officer didn't take too kindly to him stopping his truck, killing all the lights, and then running back towards the car in full bee suit getup! By the time he got the officer to listen to him, the bees had covered the front of the police car (heat and light).

the best time to go in is a nice warm sunny day when they are flying freely...
rain = grumpy bees, less likely to fly
cold = grumpy bees that can still fly
freezing = they will fly... but will die quickly outside of the warmth of the hive.

Remember, bees are different than wasps/hornets. The bees maintain a strong colony through the winter, keeping the inside of the hive fairly warm. Hornets/wasps will go into hibernation. If you cut a big hole into a beehive in the middle of winter, and leave it in the cold (below freezing), they will die off fairly quickly... exposure to atmosphere makes it very difficult to maintain the warm temp in the cluster.
 
ok, how about this then: get a large piece of fabric, so the bees will breathe but can`t get trough; wrap it around the tree fast once or twice and jail them in; after that.......your guess is better than mine.
 
And just so you know... the bees will be more defensive at night, in the dark. Less likely to fly off of you, more likely to crawl and find someplace to sting.

Ha you got that right. I learn't the hard way. Picture if you can two blokes in a paddock at nite with torches slappin each other while howlin in pain.

I helped a chap move a open nest from out a shed past a heap of twist n turns at nite as he needed the space next day. We knew little about bees and while moved slow we took (had to as no light) a torch and by the last few yards we was running. The bees fly and stick to ya ha, I almost broke my own nose whacking my face. That would a been a winning funnest home video moment.
 
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