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A first!! Edited!
MasterBlaster
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You're outta control!!!
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Is it 5 o'clock yet????Oh it is after 5, come on home boys so I can go home!!
John Paul Sanborn
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"well you could take us to court to stop this, but we have easment ROW and you would loose and then have to pay the utilities court costs on top of the tree coming down.
Here's the foresters number, if he tells me to stop I will."
Gopher is the forester for a Co-Op and the guys who trim for it are instructed to walk away and have the member contact him or the office.
The landowner should have been informed ahead of time anyways if there is a removal on their property.
He goes out and confirms the easment and checks the ROW.
His biggest problem is that past practice was topping, and it has created hazard and breakers popping and short pruning cycles. Not to forget spruce and pine with deadwood up to the area of repeated toppings.
Here's the foresters number, if he tells me to stop I will."
Gopher is the forester for a Co-Op and the guys who trim for it are instructed to walk away and have the member contact him or the office.
The landowner should have been informed ahead of time anyways if there is a removal on their property.
He goes out and confirms the easment and checks the ROW.
His biggest problem is that past practice was topping, and it has created hazard and breakers popping and short pruning cycles. Not to forget spruce and pine with deadwood up to the area of repeated toppings.
Berniestumper
ArboristSite Lurker
I just give the person giving me crap a quick look, then i look right past them like i'm thinking about something else. Like i'm much, much too busy to listen to them. It really upsets them, LOL!
kf_tree
Addicted to ArboristSite
Al Smith said:
the tree was hit by lighting 3x,,,,,what are the odds of that?
Al Smith
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I should have taken a picture of it.The danged limbs looked like a corkscew willow,no kidding.And the thing had been on fire.An older strike had blown the bark from 30 ft up to the ground,about 8 inchs wide,scary.
MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
vharrison2 said:
So, do ya feel better now?
Gopher
ArboristSite Operative
Legal side of things, boys and girls
We manage people, and then in turn the property that contains trees.
JPS is right; I have been involved in two trials recently, one dealing with utility easements; the other with the width of road R-O-W maintenance.
Past practice can sometimes come into play. It has been 7 months on the one court case, and we still have no judge's ruling. The plaintiff's attorney in her closing argument states that topping the trees is reasonable and we should have to continue to do it. Sad...
This was after two full days of testimony from three arborists and an engineer with the combined years of experience at around 125. Another issue to remember in utility maintenance is that little thing called an easement. There are places all over the country where areas were bypassed when power was originally brought into an area due to land owner refusal. Now, 40 to 50 years later (or more) the land is developed, split apart whatever, and there may or may not be an original easement concerning the utilities.
We have very strong first amendment rights that protect our property rights and the freedoms that go with them. I believe in these rights, yet understand the necessary clearance that has to be maintained to secure uninterupted power safely.
So, if you professionals dealing with utility line clearances have not maintained the needed clearances in the past, make sure that all avenues are researched and all lines of communication explored prior to "widening" this "easement" strip. I have done years of research now on many easement types, and in many cases, if the "powers that be" state that yes, the easement is there, but expanding it is not a right of the easement. We just finished a trial here involving the county highway department. To make a long story not quite so long, the county says they have the right to clear cut all trees to 4-rods.
No matter where the court rules the line should be drawn, it is very sad that while during the time of the trial, a dead spar fell into the ditch (nearly on the road surface) of a road the county reconstructed two years ago) and it lay there for three weeks because "the crews are so busy" I was told; yet the county removed about 40 trees at the very edge of said right of way and most of them were solid sugar maples. What is the nice part of any trial is getting to answer under oath the truth about trees, and we know the answers better than most. Not all of the answers all of the time, but most of the answers most of the time which beats our nearest competitor!
Another answer that I use for, shall I say, "the people in search of education", is, "Allow the crew to make the right cut for your tree." Most will agree that something has to be done, but that they don't want the tree to "look like the last time". Use all of the tools then to show them in "their" tree where the best place to "care" for it is, and often times then the easement width doesn't even come up. After all, what tree that grows to a height greater than the height of the lines is square on one side?
I know this got lengthy, but hopefully part of it was useful.
We manage people, and then in turn the property that contains trees.
JPS is right; I have been involved in two trials recently, one dealing with utility easements; the other with the width of road R-O-W maintenance.
Past practice can sometimes come into play. It has been 7 months on the one court case, and we still have no judge's ruling. The plaintiff's attorney in her closing argument states that topping the trees is reasonable and we should have to continue to do it. Sad...
This was after two full days of testimony from three arborists and an engineer with the combined years of experience at around 125. Another issue to remember in utility maintenance is that little thing called an easement. There are places all over the country where areas were bypassed when power was originally brought into an area due to land owner refusal. Now, 40 to 50 years later (or more) the land is developed, split apart whatever, and there may or may not be an original easement concerning the utilities.
We have very strong first amendment rights that protect our property rights and the freedoms that go with them. I believe in these rights, yet understand the necessary clearance that has to be maintained to secure uninterupted power safely.
So, if you professionals dealing with utility line clearances have not maintained the needed clearances in the past, make sure that all avenues are researched and all lines of communication explored prior to "widening" this "easement" strip. I have done years of research now on many easement types, and in many cases, if the "powers that be" state that yes, the easement is there, but expanding it is not a right of the easement. We just finished a trial here involving the county highway department. To make a long story not quite so long, the county says they have the right to clear cut all trees to 4-rods.
No matter where the court rules the line should be drawn, it is very sad that while during the time of the trial, a dead spar fell into the ditch (nearly on the road surface) of a road the county reconstructed two years ago) and it lay there for three weeks because "the crews are so busy" I was told; yet the county removed about 40 trees at the very edge of said right of way and most of them were solid sugar maples. What is the nice part of any trial is getting to answer under oath the truth about trees, and we know the answers better than most. Not all of the answers all of the time, but most of the answers most of the time which beats our nearest competitor!
Another answer that I use for, shall I say, "the people in search of education", is, "Allow the crew to make the right cut for your tree." Most will agree that something has to be done, but that they don't want the tree to "look like the last time". Use all of the tools then to show them in "their" tree where the best place to "care" for it is, and often times then the easement width doesn't even come up. After all, what tree that grows to a height greater than the height of the lines is square on one side?
I know this got lengthy, but hopefully part of it was useful.
clearance
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Gopher-interesting. I agree that topping trees outside of the limit that trees can be to the line is usually wrong, but trees that are inside that limit (usually 10' on residential distribution lines) have to be topped or removed. Most people understand this, many do not and those are the ones who whine and snivel at us. People want a reliable power system always, but in order to make an omellette you have to break eggs. I believe in ground to sky trimming, because overhang doesn't always overhang, sometimes it hangs on the line. It all comes down to safety and reliability, trees must always come after that. One persons love of a tree should not cause the power of thousands to be at risk of outage. The power usually goes out from trees or branches on the line at the worst times, like at 3 in the morning, in November, when it is raining or snowing. When I am out there cutting trees off the road with powerlines under them, in scummy weather I know thats part of my job, what makes me mad is when the tree/trees in question should have been cut down years ago.
Gopher
ArboristSite Operative
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My sentiments exactly, Clearance. I do everything in my power when meeting with "challenging" customers to always have the crew's perspective in mind. Human life is first.
Well, there are a few people that...!
Keep up the good work all.
My sentiments exactly, Clearance. I do everything in my power when meeting with "challenging" customers to always have the crew's perspective in mind. Human life is first.
Well, there are a few people that...!
Keep up the good work all.
Ekka
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Tree co, "There you go, that's your written quotation for all the work you've asked me about ... itemized and totalled if you'd like to go ahead with the lot."
Customer, "Oh my, that's expensive, I didn't think it would cost that much!"
Tree co, "Hmm ... have you had any other quotes?"
Customer, "no, but I didn't think it would be this much."
Tree co, "And how long have you been quoting trees?"
Tree co, "There you go, that's your written quotation for all the work you've asked me about ... itemized and totalled if you'd like to go ahead with the lot."
Customer, "Oh my, that's expensive, I didn't think it would cost that much!"
Tree co, "Hmm ... have you had any other quotes?"
Customer, "no, but I didn't think it would be this much."
Tree co, "And how long have you been quoting trees?"
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