smokechase II
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Unions were great for this country at one time.
Out of control now.
Out of control now.
Buckers and Limbers go on strike
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treejunkie13
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makes for a nice street sweeper.:yoyo:
Zodiac45
Paleostoveologist & Sawwhisperer
Yep Smoke,
Actually in todays economy, unions are part of bigger problem. Job's have moved overseas. We allow "American" corporations too sell out jobs too the lowest foreign bidder, profit as an "American" company and then ask for tax subsidies for doing it! Don't get me going on this one! It's a bit like oil prices and the record profits oil company's reaped (read: raped) and they still want Federal tax breaks!
Actually in todays economy, unions are part of bigger problem. Job's have moved overseas. We allow "American" corporations too sell out jobs too the lowest foreign bidder, profit as an "American" company and then ask for tax subsidies for doing it! Don't get me going on this one! It's a bit like oil prices and the record profits oil company's reaped (read: raped) and they still want Federal tax breaks!
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Freakingstang
Doctor Freakinstein
That can't be for real...photoshop?
I mean seriously, who would load a truck like that?
I mean seriously, who would load a truck like that?
LOL...Me. I think he's just picking up roadside stuff and taking it to a landing for processing. Might have been too scattered for conventional skidding. Could be ROW widening or something.
I've had loads like that but never on a paved road...our local cops would have a field day and be grinning from ear to ear if you took it out on a public highway. They'd generate enough revenue in citations to take the rest of the day off.
Sure would get all the tourists over on their own side of the road though
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smokechase II
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Enough fibbing on my part
First thing:
I didn't think I'd ever get Gologit to open one of my links after the Axmen Gay interest photo. I'm glad we've put that behind us.
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What is going on with the log truck is there is a road widening and improving project on the Fall River Rd south of Bend Oregon. It is a good appropriate project and in a beautiful place.
The trees have been dropped and stacked in small mini landings along the road. This self loader was grabbing loads and taking them just 1-3 miles to an off-road landing where the trees are being processed.
The Log truck was driving very very slow and had a pilot pick-up in front. They were courteous and let me by quickly.
However, I still snitched on them. I didn't even think of it till later when I was downloading the photos at home. No binders. I sent the photos to a timber beast supervisor and they called the driver and put a two binder mandate immediately in place.
Look at the photo from the front and note the tree above the stanchion. I'm sorry. I had to do something because that was a bit dangerous.
First thing:
I didn't think I'd ever get Gologit to open one of my links after the Axmen Gay interest photo. I'm glad we've put that behind us.
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What is going on with the log truck is there is a road widening and improving project on the Fall River Rd south of Bend Oregon. It is a good appropriate project and in a beautiful place.
The trees have been dropped and stacked in small mini landings along the road. This self loader was grabbing loads and taking them just 1-3 miles to an off-road landing where the trees are being processed.
The Log truck was driving very very slow and had a pilot pick-up in front. They were courteous and let me by quickly.
However, I still snitched on them. I didn't even think of it till later when I was downloading the photos at home. No binders. I sent the photos to a timber beast supervisor and they called the driver and put a two binder mandate immediately in place.
Look at the photo from the front and note the tree above the stanchion. I'm sorry. I had to do something because that was a bit dangerous.
smokechase II
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Unusual
I took the photos because I'd never seen anything like that before.
In the old days there were lots of overloaded trucks. Obviously overloaded.
This was just out of the blue.
When I came up from behind I could not see that it was a log truck. I honestly had no idea what was moving the huge pile slowly down the road.
I took the photos because I'd never seen anything like that before.
In the old days there were lots of overloaded trucks. Obviously overloaded.
This was just out of the blue.
When I came up from behind I could not see that it was a log truck. I honestly had no idea what was moving the huge pile slowly down the road.
windthrown
361 Junkie
I thought this was a late April Fools joke. I mean, in this economy anyone going on strike around here would be deemed insane. Most guys do not have jobs to strike anyway.
Those logs look like what we use here for stream bank errosion control (revetments). We leave the tops and limbs on and stack and stake them parallel to the creek flow, crown down-stream so that the limbs strain the creek for sand and rocks during flooding. They help to rebuild and stabilize the banks that way.
TGIF!
Those logs look like what we use here for stream bank errosion control (revetments). We leave the tops and limbs on and stack and stake them parallel to the creek flow, crown down-stream so that the limbs strain the creek for sand and rocks during flooding. They help to rebuild and stabilize the banks that way.
TGIF!
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Ruh Roh. I know a timber beast supervisor there. She's really MEAN! Probably shut them down forever and a day!
We timber beasties like to do that as we have been pretty cranky the last few years...
We timber beasties like to do that as we have been pretty cranky the last few years...
Ruh Roh. I know a timber beast supervisor there. She's really MEAN! Probably shut them down forever and a day!
First let me say that I agree with Smokechase....there should have been a couple of wrappers on that load. But other than that I don't see anything wrong with what they were doing.
They weren't headed for the mill at sixty miles an hour, they weren't going through populated areas, they weren't endangering other motorists. All they were doing was applying a simple solution to a simple problem.
That being said...now comes the OFR...
All too often the Almighty Overseers of the Forest will shut something down simply because they've never seen it before and don't understand it. That way they don't put themselves, their reputations, and their jobs at risk by allowing something that, though practical and safe, might cause one of their superiors to raise an eyebrow. GS ratings rule, right?
As far as being cranky the last few years...welcome to the club. Our kind of cranky is different than yours though. We're cranky about how increasingly difficult it is to get logs down the hill at a profit. And since we have to be profit oriented to survive we have a hard time drumming up any empathy when a government agency whines and snivels about their budget. Or their lack of manpower. Or their equipment. Or how hard they work.
This isn't meant as a personal attack. You and Smokechase and several others on AS have gone a long way toward letting us know how things are in your world...and they're things we need to know. It just gets old sometimes...kinda like me. Maybe I need some huckleberry pie.
smokechase II
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Nobody is ever going to believe this post
Our super mean timber beast did not shut them down. Just told them to use binders. (If they don't, I suspect they will be shut down.)
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This logging method was a common sense solution where the logs are being transported a short distance to a landing. This gets the operation off the road environment the fastest way possible. A 6 mile by 50 foot timber sale that encases the public’s right to drive fast does present some difficulties.
This method probably does incur increased costs, although it may be cheaper, I don't know.
This particular truck was not being bad on anything but the wraps. They actually were polite and professionally courteous otherwise.
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Told you no one would believe this. A courteous log truck driver. Yeah sure.
Our super mean timber beast did not shut them down. Just told them to use binders. (If they don't, I suspect they will be shut down.)
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This logging method was a common sense solution where the logs are being transported a short distance to a landing. This gets the operation off the road environment the fastest way possible. A 6 mile by 50 foot timber sale that encases the public’s right to drive fast does present some difficulties.
This method probably does incur increased costs, although it may be cheaper, I don't know.
This particular truck was not being bad on anything but the wraps. They actually were polite and professionally courteous otherwise.
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Told you no one would believe this. A courteous log truck driver. Yeah sure.
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smokechase II
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Problem solved
The slash that is being generated by this operation is going to be located at on landing where it will be chipped and used for Hawg fuel (power plants - usually at a mill) in Western Oregon.
This is because of the housing shortage.
1) Lowered demand for wood products means
2) Fewer logs being cut up at the mill which
3) Results in fewer wood chips/sawdust for the
4) Hawg fuel plant at the mill therefore
5) They have to go elsewhere for woody debris.
If you are a fuels guy in Eastern Oregon this means the woods are getting cleaned up faster and better than if you had to burn those landings.
But.
But.
A bad housing market is a bad thing.
It devalues the trees we sell sure. Out of work folks and maybe is the most prominent component of this recession.
But it also makes our timber sales less desirable to bid on period. Since most of our sales in this era are step 1 in restoring the forests of Eastern Oregon. They are not going to make the mill owners filthy wealthy to start with. They are typically thin from below cuts that leave the best and best spaced trees.
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No bidding means less fuels work and less restoration.
You can't win for loosing I tell ya'.
The slash that is being generated by this operation is going to be located at on landing where it will be chipped and used for Hawg fuel (power plants - usually at a mill) in Western Oregon.
This is because of the housing shortage.
1) Lowered demand for wood products means
2) Fewer logs being cut up at the mill which
3) Results in fewer wood chips/sawdust for the
4) Hawg fuel plant at the mill therefore
5) They have to go elsewhere for woody debris.
If you are a fuels guy in Eastern Oregon this means the woods are getting cleaned up faster and better than if you had to burn those landings.
But.
But.
A bad housing market is a bad thing.
It devalues the trees we sell sure. Out of work folks and maybe is the most prominent component of this recession.
But it also makes our timber sales less desirable to bid on period. Since most of our sales in this era are step 1 in restoring the forests of Eastern Oregon. They are not going to make the mill owners filthy wealthy to start with. They are typically thin from below cuts that leave the best and best spaced trees.
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No bidding means less fuels work and less restoration.
You can't win for loosing I tell ya'.
smokechase II
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This is how bad this is getting
The photos are of landing piles being burned gently by a professional, yours truly.
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Concerning some logging just West of SunRiver Oregon. Sales looked well thought out, well laid out, loggers looked pro. (Other than I thought we should have thinned a little more - I suspect the 'inadequate' thinning was due to location - location - location).
The bad news was that they let a lot of these logs sit because the mill in Gilchrest was shut down every other week. That's pretty serious stuff. (Logs were not rotting - the layoffs are the serious part.)
Even worse is that I heard that some of the smaller diameter decks were being chipped for Hawg fuel because that market was better than the lumber market.
That is a shame even for simple small diameter Lodgepole Pine.
It is so bad that my son tells me that Alder is going for more than Doug Fir in Western Oregon.
Man we used to thin Alder away from the Fir over there like there was no tomorrow. What were we thinking?
The photos are of landing piles being burned gently by a professional, yours truly.
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Concerning some logging just West of SunRiver Oregon. Sales looked well thought out, well laid out, loggers looked pro. (Other than I thought we should have thinned a little more - I suspect the 'inadequate' thinning was due to location - location - location).
The bad news was that they let a lot of these logs sit because the mill in Gilchrest was shut down every other week. That's pretty serious stuff. (Logs were not rotting - the layoffs are the serious part.)
Even worse is that I heard that some of the smaller diameter decks were being chipped for Hawg fuel because that market was better than the lumber market.
That is a shame even for simple small diameter Lodgepole Pine.
It is so bad that my son tells me that Alder is going for more than Doug Fir in Western Oregon.
Man we used to thin Alder away from the Fir over there like there was no tomorrow. What were we thinking?
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See, I told you she was mean. Didn't you see the
s? Most of the log truck drivers around here are pretty courteous, moreso than I would be. I'd go berserk if I had to drive in the traffic they do, they are pretty calm about it with the attitude of that they are stuck behind the tourists so might as well not fret about it. The roads they drive on are so bad that they don't dare go very fast. Our pavement is failing.Yup, prices are down and keep going down. It is very depressing as there are some good loggers going to lose their shirts if things don't change soon.
And the rehersal of huckleberry pie was excellent. We had no ice cream though but that is something that some of us feel taints the flavor of the berries.
See, I told you she was mean. Didn't you see the
Yup, prices are down and keep going down. It is very depressing as there are some good loggers going to lose their shirts if things don't change soon.
And the rehersal of huckleberry pie was excellent. We had no ice cream though but that is something that some of us feel taints the flavor of the berries.
Huckleberry pie rehersals? Sometimes I really miss Washington...just sometimes though.
Down here the only timber that's going to get logged this year is burn salvage and bug kill stuff. That might be an over-simplification but not by much. There just isn't the market for lumber that there was during the "housing boom" and we've returned to a more normal level of building.
Everybody got used to the housing explosion and convinced themselves that things would be wonderful forever. If the history of this business has taught us anything it's that it's always been boom and bust and you'd better be ready to ride the wave.
Yes, I made pie and took it to eat with my mom and sister. Left jars of berries and salsa there too. There's no housing slowdown there. Lots of new big ones being built where the sagebrush or orchards used to be. I guess it is the new Bend, Oregon only in Warshington.
Here is a pic of my son tending a burn pile. Our Boy Scout troop specialises in forestry projects and this was one at a patch of private land that has been made accesable to Scouts. He is throwing a shovel full of soil onto the fire to lower its intensity and heat so the soil and grass seeds won't be harmed.
This was taken at a history event last week. Cody set chockers for a line skidder.
A Dollbeer Donkey
The operator had never run a skidder before.
This was taken at a history event last week. Cody set chockers for a line skidder.
A Dollbeer Donkey
The operator had never run a skidder before.
sILlogger
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great pics 2dogs!! is that an ole Clark skidder? kinda looks like it but i can't tell from the pics. what type of wood is that?
Thanks for the comments! Yep it is an ancient Clark cable skidder. I have operated its equally old dual function cousin on a euc job. They are very loud and under powered and the joy stick is not very responsive. The logs are Doug Fir, the tree was wind scarred from a storm last January. We did not drop the tree but as you can tell by the nice square bucking cuts they were done by a full wrap Stihl.
The day prior to this the "operator" skidded the butt log down to the Lucas mill but he did not lift the log off the pavement and wore through the chocker. He dropped one log where the image was taken and skidded the other down to the mill. Later he brought the rest down with the 950.
