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jayweber

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For my school project i must do a buiness plan of my choice. Ever since wilma hit my town i took an intrest in what seems to be a booming industry of tree trimming stump grinding industry. I have to find the cost of starting one of thease companys so if you guys have any information at all on how many men to hire how much insurance costs which saws to use it would be greatly appreciated. Heres what i have so far

12 chipper gently used mobark twister 25k$
saws up to a 1000$ each not sure what to get mostly trimming though so something light but reliable.
chip truck 15k$
4 guys working for me what wadges 12 hour plus qouta commision
tree school how much does it cost
insurance avrage cost
all gear costs
stump grinder do i get a 3000 one or a 15000
should i hire more than four guys

basically i need to know what to get to start a trimming company

thanks for your time
 
Boy,
You might be better starting a venture in something that you know a little more about. A start-up tree service is a little more complex then what you make it out to be.
 
thats why i have been doing hevy reserch before i even really think aout investing any money into this industry. I will research this for years and problbly go to a many tree schools on this before i assemble my company. This is why i want to talk to the pros to know what im getting my self into before i spend a dime. Everyone has to start somewhere

thanks
 
Hi Jay, welcome to Arboristsite. You indicated that this is a school project and you selected tree work as a result of what happened in South Florida after Wilma. I am also from South Florida, Marathon down in the Keys and own a tree/landscape company. Our company was impacted by Wilma and it was not all positive. What area in South Florida are you in?

You might want to contact ISA http://www.isa-arbor.com/ as they have a business plan model that they may share with you if you are a student. As for gear costs, click on some of the sponsors here and price things out. Most tree trimming companies start with one truck, a climber and build from there.

As for "tree schools" that cover climbing skills, safety, proper pruning and general arboriculture, again in South Florida the ISA, Florida Chapter, is the ticket. http://www.isa-arbor.com/

Best of luck with your school project. What grade or year are you in?
 
Guys, this sounds like another bs scam like the Timber fiasco, "jayweber" tell us more about yourself, your school all that stuff, sorry if I'm wrong but once bitten twice shy.
 
clearance said:
Guys, this sounds like another bs scam like the Timber fiasco, "jayweber" tell us more about yourself, your school all that stuff, sorry if I'm wrong but once bitten twice shy.

The spelling skills are certainly similar.:greenchainsaw:
 
Im in 9th grade i put that i was born in the 80's because i know some sites require you to be at least 18 years old. I go to Coral Springs Charter School and im in an a leadership/carrer class where we have to pick a buiness to do a plan on. I picked the tree trimming industry because i know my old neighbor owned one before he moved. He lived in a nice house in a middle class neighborhood and drove a BMW so i think he did alrigh financhly.
Thanks for all of the info guys but please im not trying to scam you by all means you do not have to give me any information that you think could harm your buiness. If you do good just say u do good i dont need to know how much money you make per year it would be nice to know but im not asking. All i need to know is how much gear, insurance, wadges cost thats all. Thanks for all the info guys Sorry to cause any false alarms.

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ps. i have nothing to buy or sell and no personal info needs to be given only how much some things cost and links to good sites my real dob is november 29, 1990 thanks for the info
 
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What the hell, Jay a cord is 4x4x8ft (128 cu. ft.) of cut fire wood and people take chips for free, often for horses to walk on.
 
Clearance, you're being awfully rough on this guy. From having some friends in Coral Springs I do know that Coral Springs Charter School is a legit school. You probably know some people I knw Jay. I will say you have a lot to learn about what a tree business entails. When I was about your age, I wanted to get into the business, but I wound up going onto college for teh time being instead. Thetrees still call though and I may change my mind one day....but I thought all it took was some chainsaws and climbing gear plus insurance costs. I was mistaken....first...are you going to do removals, or trimming? If trimming, you'll want to learn to climb without spikes, as this is frowned on except for removals....education is a great idea...I was once told that UF has a good dendrology program, but I never really looked into it, I do know one expert often cited here is Ed Gilman, who works here at UF. So that might be something to explore. I don't know about equipment cause as I say I'm a college student and just cut firewood on teh side, but I've seen tree companies equipment vary from the best chippers and several differnt top end saws to just about nothing. You have a lot tolearn, but hey, taht's what these school projects are about...learn all you can and have fun. And you might see about contacting Vharrison or another reputable tree guy in yoru area and see what they are willing to help you out with. Good luck with it all,
J.D.
 
im defently going 2 collage first im thinking uf because i have a 3.5 gpa after collage i will get a decent job save up for a few years quit job and then start my buiness. after extensive research

but heres what the company would do
tree trimming in florda thats mostly large palms and oaks
tree removal and grinding mostly smaller trees but a few big jobs
stump grinding
clean up like after hurricans brush removal
 
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now is this an air tight business in Fla because there are hundreds of company's and some companys have allot of trucks. Do you think theres always room for 1 more company or will they mussel you out
 
Starting a tree business

Hey jay, hats off to you for having the guts to start a business. I read through your list of estimated costs and I think you can start out for a whole lot less. For starters, buy yourself a good quality, mid-size chainsaw and a climbing harness/rope/carabiners. Go out in the woods around your town and cut up a few dead and fallen trees. Check with the forestry service or the cops to find out if you need a wood permit to do this. Get familiar with the chainsaw. Make sure you take someone with you in case you have an accident. Even better if the person you take with you has experience running a chainsaw and can show you a few techniques. READ THE OWNER'S MANUAL FOR YOUR SAW. It will tell you how to safely run it and care for it so it will last, and most importantly, it will tell you how to not cut off your leg.
Once you get pretty handy with the chainsaw, start messing around with your climbing gear. If you have a decent sized tree in your yard, practice using stuff like a throwline, friction saver, ascender, figure 8, prusik hitch and your harness to get a rope up in the tree and safely tie in. Practice belaying while on the ground. Step off the lowest rung on your ladder and belay your butt to the ground a few times, then move up to the second rung and do it some more till you figure it out. Now that you know how to run a chainsaw and you can climb, read up on how to prune a tree. Keep in mind you will prune fruit trees differently than shade trees. Now you are ready to go to work. Offer to trim your parent's trees or use your wood permit to go out and prune some forest trees. Put the branches in a trailer and dump them at the city green waste dump. At this point you're not ready to buy a 6,000 dollar chipper. Now you are ready to do this for money! Ask around the neighborhood to see if anyone needs their trees trimmed, or taken down. You might have a couple of friends who want to help, so show them what you know and let them do the easy stuff on the job (easy=cleanup and limbing). You'll want to take down some smaller trees, under 25', so you get the hang of dropping branches and trunk sections, because when you do larger trees, especially near homes or buildings, you have to be careful not to damage them. Put off doing big take downs until later when you get a little bigger and can afford business insurance. Again, read up on how to use rigging to get limbs and trunk sections down.

Okay, now that you've done a few jobs and made a little money, you might decide you want to do a full-fledged business with this. In that case, decide on a business name and register it with the city and state, get a tax I.D. number. Buy insurance for your business. Talk to a lot of people and let them know that you do trees. Keep in mind that if you're serious about your business, and you've taken the time to learn how to do it, it will show, and people will start referring you.

Work on your own for a while at first and get your work system down. It will start to occur to you how other people could do some of the work you're doing. Find some friends who want to earn a few extra bucks helping you and put them to work on a tryout basis. This will give you a good idea of how to have employees. If this works out pretty well, you can plan to hire some people. At this point, sign up for Employer's Insurance (workman's comp). You don't have to pay anything on it until you hire people, but it's good to have it lined up.

Now you can do the bigger takedowns and stump grinding, and money will start coming in. Keep learning how to improve your work. How you grow it from there depends on you, your work ethic and business mind. Down the road, you might be keeping enough guys busy that it's time to buy a bucket truck and a chipper for larger jobs you can reach from the street. A business grows like a plant-or a tree-not all at once, but little by little. Accept you will have some bad days, that you'll be stumped once in a while with certain aspects of your business, and that you'll figure out a way to make it work. Even if it all goes to Hell, you will learn from all your efforts, and you can apply those lessons to your next venture. The sky's the limit for the person who decides to create something. Good luck!
 
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Woodchuckles has got some dubious advice. You don't want to be an uninsured,under capitalized hack, who lowballs legitimate businesses.

This won't help you with your business plan, but in preparation for starting a business of your own, it would make more sense to gain field experience and training by working with an an established and reputable tree service.
 
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thanks to everyone fo all the great info. right now im doing a project but this is defently a feild im interested in, maby in a few years my parents will let me get a saw but for now my parents wont let me near one hell it was hard enough for me to talk my parents into letting me buy a bb gun. Over the hurricane i worked with my neighbors and i got to use an old jhon deer 20inch saw after i got use to the kick it was prety easy to cut through the branch. I only got to use the saw for about five minutes after my mom saw it i had to go back to haluing logs. thanks for all the info guys you will defently see me around the fourms in the future.
 
jayweber,

i lived in Ft. Lauderdale all my life. not trying to sound negative, but there's a substantial flaw in your project/research. that is... you are basing this business model on a post hurricane tree market. what you are seeing NOW is something that Ft. Lauderdale tree companies haven't seen in decades. the last time we got hit this bad was 50 years ago.

the hurricane hit in October and although there's still business out there, it has dried up considerably and will continue to decline. just look around you. there's a helluva lot less trees and stumps laying around than there were 3 months ago. and you being in Coral Springs got hit the most + have some of the wealthiest neighborhoods in Broward. once these neighborhoods get done cleaning up, the show will be over and the lower class neighborhoods will be left over...which don't pay nearly enough.

you looking starting a tree business in Coral Springs neighborhoods AFTER a hurricane's direct hit is like looking at a dot.com business in 1999. it's at the top and going downhill from here. it's all temporary.

it's like starting a snowplowing business in after a snow storm hits in February. sure there's money to be made, but soon springtime will come and then what?

the only tree business model you can relate it to is the model used by "hurricane chasers".

there are even factors today which would throw off your research and decisions. for example: equiptment costs are rediculously priced now unless you travel 2,000 miles away. 3 hurricanes hit the Southest USA last season and took with them all the decent prices.

that's just one of the offsetting factors. there's sooo many others.

regarding your old neighbor and his BMW. your young, but you'll learn the power of good credit in due time. never judge a person's wealth when lending is loose and rates are low. my brother only makes $45,000 a year and owns 2 Lexuses and 3 homes worth over 1 million. none of it was from his actual earnings, all from borrowing.
 
We are being being suckered

Guys, like I said first with Newfie agreeing and now PU climber voicing suspicion, something is wrong here, it sounds, or at least spells like Timber all over again. "jayweber", 3.5 gpa hmmm.............I call BS, if I'm wrong I won't apologize.
 
jayweber said:
now is this an air tight business in Fla because there are hundreds of company's and some companys have allot of trucks. Do you think theres always room for 1 more company or will they mussel you out

airtight? ...yeah i'd say so...
do you know how many tree companies from OUTSIDE Ft. Lauderdale have swooped in? i've seen companies from every other state down here and they're still here. by the time you get your company up and running, the show will be over. don't forget you are up against outside companies who are all using $70k chippers, $30 boom lifts, $50k stump grinders, $50k dump trucks, and $60k frontloader / backhoes. without these your business will not be able to compete with the vultures that flew in here. the easy work dried up when the county stopped hauling the curbside debris away for free. now you have to transport it all to the city and pay for it.
 
jayweber said:
now is this an air tight business in Fla because there are hundreds of company's and some companys have allot of trucks. Do you think theres always room for 1 more company or will they mussel you out

hey guys... he has a 3.5 GPA and in this one sentence he mis-spelled "allot" and "mussel". plus forgot how to abbreviate properly. lol
 
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