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TreeChick217

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I'm a girl, but I want to get into the tree business, I can rope, and I'm in the process of learning how to climb. Is there anyone that can give me some advice on how to aproach this? Maybe some pointers on how to convince a business to hire me and give me a chance to prove that I can do just as good, if not better than all you men;)
 
my first suggestion would be get out of Altoona,PA. :p . my mom was born there.......i'm sure it's a very manly man town with little money so the men will get a shot before you.

i wish you the best of luck, i'm sure your just as capable as most men. but you'll be fighting an up hill battle most of the time.
 
Don't worry, it's all about Positive Mental Attitude. I' don't know about Altoona Pa however My mom lives in Ephrata, Again I don't know the East coast, but I know That the Ladies can own up just as much with work. My Girlfriend and I met on a HandCrew C-5 for the USFS. She continued on to a HotShot crew and ran the saw with the Fellas on the Line. Later, we both went to Dutch Harbor and Scored Jobs on the Crabbers. She elbowed her way to whereever she wanted to go. Positive Mental Attitude. I coulda by lined all that back ground and said "Keep Tryin" but anecdotal eveidence is a good mood setter.
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First start searching the posts here.

Second, go to one of our sponsors and get a copy of Jepsons "tree climbers companion". It will be the best $15 you spend in a long time.

Start looking for a school with a tree care course.

Ken has a point with demographics, good tree care is more likely around higher end communites.

Look for the bigger companies to start with, Care of Trees or Bartlett. They will have EEOC policies and the volume to let you work. the Philly suburbs would be a good place to start.

Join the PennDel chapter of the ISA, hang out at the jamborees.
 
Bodean said:
Don't worry, it's all about Positive Mental Attitude. I' don't know about Altoona Pa however My mom lives in Ephrata, Again I don't know the East coast, but I know That the Ladies can own up just as much with work. My Girlfriend and I met on a HandCrew C-5 for the USFS. She continued on to a HotShot crew and ran the saw with the Fellas on the Line. Later, we both went to Dutch Harbor and Scored Jobs on the Crabbers. She elbowed her way to whereever she wanted to go. Positive Mental Attitude. I coulda by lined all that back ground and said "Keep Tryin" but anecdotal eveidence is a good mood setter.
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Do not mean to de-rail this thread, sorry for the interuption.

Bodean,
Have you any stories/info. about working on the crabbers/Dutch Harbour/Bristol Bay/Bering etc. fancy starting a new thread???
I've heard a few things, and am curious.
 
TreeChick217 said:
I'm a girl, but I want to get into the tree business, I can rope, and I'm in the process of learning how to climb. Is there anyone that can give me some advice on how to aproach this? Maybe some pointers on how to convince a business to hire me and give me a chance to prove that I can do just as good, if not better than all you men;)

interesting the guys gave you different guidance than they give the young fellas who ask the same question... generally, they suggest getting hired as ground crew for a local arborist who does good work... and working into the business that way (on the job training)... and they always suggest the tree climbing book...

but don't pay attention to me-- i'm just a simple woman homeowner who reads too many of these threads (i'm learning, just enough (1) to know i am not a climber and (2) that i am dumb as rocks when it comes to trees)...

go get 'em!!! be a success on whatever path you take...
 
Come on guys where are your mannners. Welcome to the site Tree Chick. We used to have two other female climbers, but they dropped out for some reason, please stay around and ask all the questions you need answered.

Larry
 
John Paul Sanborn said:
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Ken has a point with demographics, good tree care is more likely around higher end communites.

Look for the bigger companies to start with, Care of Trees or Bartlett. They will have EEOC policies and the volume to let you work. ...

Good advice.

If you really want to learn, go to the larger companies, Davey Tree, Bartlett, Care of Trees, etc.. They must train you properly. Also don't look at being a woman as a hindrance to getting hired, it's almost just the opposite. If the ad you respond to says "will train" or "no experience necessary" and they don't hire you, the personnel department there knows that it could be considered grounds for sexual discrimination.

This may be a difficult time however, with winter approaching, to find a job in aboriculture.

Fred
 
Wow, thank you all for your positive feedback. Just so you guys know, I climbed twice today, without spikes (thats a big deal to me) . learned a few more knots... and by the way, i am only 18 incase none of you knew that... my boyfriend already has Jepsons "tree climbing companion" so i'm one step ahead of ya ;) .
 
One of the best workers on my friend's tree company is a female. She moves just as much brush as the guys do and she doesn't stand around. If there is work to be done, she keeps moving. I would love to hire her. She doesn't climb, but there is lots of opportunity for male or female. I once tried to teach a female how to climb, as she wanted to become a climber, but she lacked the upper body strength. You need to be fairly strong and have a lot of edurance to climb all day. She has been working as a high rise window washer for the past 10 years.
 
Trinity Honoria said:
interesting the guys gave you different guidance than they give the young fellas who ask the same question... ..

That's because we know how many MCP's there are in the industry.

Not only will the bigger companies be more likely to hire full time, but they have the apperatus to keep the sophmoric humor and shirt peeping where they belong...of the job.


Hmm, maybe you could work a winter internship with Koa? :cool:
 
John Paul Sanborn said:
That's because we know how many MCP's there are in the industry.

Not only will the bigger companies be more likely to hire full time, but they have the apperatus to keep the sophmoric humor and shirt peeping where they belong...of the job.

Hmm, maybe you could work a winter internship with Koa? :cool:

i just found it interesting the different tone you gents had when you replied to a females note... not critical, it was just different...

an internship in Hawaii sounds like the ticket!!!

also, a man just posted somewhere on AS yesterday-- he's from Altoona as well...
 
Find a small mom and pop shop, start as a ground dog, pester them that you want to climb, earn thier confidence, learn from someone who is an expert and safe.

Quit, start your own biz, make millions and retire. LOL. Good luck.

Oh, I forgot to mention the blood, sweat and anxiety in between groundworker and retiring.
 
lol yeah the new "Altoona Man" is my boyfriend :) haha.. we were on this site everynight together and I decided to join, so he did also. lol He's an awesome guy, hes all about doing things the right way, the safe way, He wants to know everything there is to know about trees and climbing.. secretly, his dream is to own his own business one day, which I have no one doubt about, bet you guys can't find a more driven 19 year old. and for an update, I may have landed myself an awesome job in Lancaster, Pa... if anyone saw the post in Employment Forum, I went ahead and e-mailed the guy, Tim, and he wrote me back, I may be going down for a visit here shortly.. hopefully it all turns out well. I've been reading jepsons tree climbers companion like its my job, lol. Turns out, they already have one female on their crew.. so they should all be more accepting of me than I had anticipated.. I'm very excited, any tips on things I should make sure I know, maybe some pointers on how to impress him? He knows im just a fresh new beginner.. but he said he'll give anyone a try that shows interest. I'm going to give this my all, hopefully if all goes well, I can spend at least a year, if not more down there, get alot of expierence in and when I come home, I'll be able to work on getting some college in to help me along with my career in trees. Soo eXcited!
 
I think it is cool, and if you take the time to learn the ropes (no pun intended) I am certain you will do well!
 
TreeChick217 said:
I'm very excited, any tips on things I should make sure I know, maybe some pointers on how to impress him? He knows im just a fresh new beginner.. but he said he'll give anyone a try that shows interest. I'm going to give this my all, hopefully if all goes well, I can spend at least a year, if not more down there, get alot of expierence in and when I come home, I'll be able to work on getting some college in to help me along with my career in trees. Soo eXcited!
How to impress:
1. show up
2. do the work
3. don't be afraid to ask what you don't understand-- better to ask than be standing in the wrong spot...

Just a note from an old woman (who is not in the business, but knows how to botch things up in life): follow your heart, your dreams... no one else can do it for you... and you will be most successful if you do what you're passionate about...

ok, i'm done now... keep us posted!!! sounds like you're moving in a good direction...
 
HOW TO BECOME AN EXCELLENT GROUNDMAN (or woe-man)

1) Show up for work on time, rested, and sober. Be reliable. If you cannot make it, call as soon as you possibly can. Don't leave a crew shorthanded without some advance notice. Pack a lunch and be prepared for work. Maintain good personal hygiene -- you're going to sweat, so use deodorant. Eat a good breakfast, and try to take care of your 'morning business' before you get to work. Bring what you need, and don't rely on stopping at a store.

2) Do not ask for an advance in pay except in an emergency. Learn to budget your money. Do not make your employer have to help you out every week.

3) You must have a valid driver's license, and in most states it needs to be a commercial driver's license. You also must have reliable transportation to work every day.

4) Before you get in the truck, check all fluid levels, and service as needed. Walk around the truck and perform a visual inspection. Make sure all the gear that is required is on the vehicle. Ensure that all ladders, pole saws, and power pruners are tied down. Double- check all hitches and electrical connections for towed equipment. Make sure the truck is fueled up and you have plenty of mixed gas and bar oil. Keep a siphon hose for emergencies. Have a pair of old jeans behind the seat for when some unlucky soul gets a gas/oil soaking from an improperly-seated cap. Ensure there is an up-to-date first-aid kit and all the crew knows its location. Keep a couple cans of wasp spray behind the seat. Don't sleep on the ride. Pay attention where you are going -- you might be required to remember it later. Keep current maps in the glove box and know how to use them. Ensure that all traffic cones/flags/markers are available, along with all the required PPE for the entire crew. Whenever possible, have a cell phone for emergencies.

5) Fuel and oil all the saws, and clean the air filters before leaving the shop.. Never send a saw up to a climber without it having been serviced and warmed up. Ensure the chain has the proper tension. Learn how to file a saw, and be able to replace a chain in a timely manner. Do not put the chain on backward. Double check.

6) Don't be one of those "It’s not my job" type of workers. Superior crewmembers are able to work at any station. Assess the situation and determine a work plan. Keep a positive, motivated work ethic. Wear all the required PPE at all times. Don't whine and complain about every little thing. Hustle when you move; walk one way and run the other. Hurry up every chance you get. Do whatever you can do to expedite the completion of the job in a safe and timely manner. Learn how to operate a power pruner and a pole saw. Use the latter to pull out hangers and steer roped limbs. When cutting with these tools, use care to make a proper cut.

7) Always have a spotter when backing up a vehicle.. If someone runs over, or into, something because you are daydreaming, guess whose fault it really is? Beware of eaves and wires, and watch for unseen septic tanks. Do not get the truck stuck. Know when to pad in and do it. Whenever possible, before arriving at the jobsite, discuss with the drivers the best placement of your vehicles. Call the customers before the crew arrives so that they can move their vehicles.. When working on a roadside, be sure to properly position traffic cones and all markers. Determine if a traffic flagger is needed for busier roadways. The flagger needs to take his or her job seriously. Stay on guard; do not cause an accident; and watch for careless drivers.

8) Never leave gear anywhere it can be damaged. Set the gear next to another tree, a building, or an otherwise safe place. REMEMBER where you set your gear down. It’s best to keep it all in one place. Never park any vehicles anywhere they can be struck by falling limbs. If you're in a place where gear can be stolen, keep an eye on it at all times. Lock the vehicle's side-bins. Never leave a sidebin open, especially on the passenger's side of the truck. Store the climbing gear away from the saws, gas and oil.. Make sure spurs have gaff guards affixed, and that all saws have scabbards.

9) Report any damaged or malfunctioning gear to your supervisor as soon as you discover it. Treat the equipment as if it were your own. The fewer expenses a business incurs (more often than not) translates into more money for you in the long run. Realize this.

10) You should know how to work safely with a chipper. Never push brush into the feed chute with your hands or feet, use some type of brush paddle instead. Do not use a rake. You will need to learn how to operate a stump grinder. An experienced crewperson should work shoulder-to-shoulder with a new worker ensuring the proper training in all aspects of safe, efficient chipper operation. You should learn to do minor maintenance as well as emergency procedures, such as un-clogging a chipper chute, or better yet, how to never clog it up in the first place. When chipping stringy or wet brush pay attention to the chipper's progress doing it. Listen for the engine bogging down or the lack of chips being expelled from the chute. Don't let the chipper run all day long. When a break in the chipping occurs, idle it down or shut it off completely. Aim the chute to fill one side of the bed, then the other, then the middle. Make sure the chute is aimed so flying chips aren't sent into traffic. Do not let diesel engines run out of fuel.

11) You should be able to handle all aspects of ground rope operation, from securing the friction hitch, to setting the speed line. If you hank the ropes learn how to do it correctly. Do not step on the ropes or allow them to be drove over by a vehicle. Do not just throw the rope on the ground, tie it to the climber's line, and walk away. Take the time to un-hank the rope and tie THAT end to the line. Do not stand there and hold the rope. Step back and make sure the line goes up the tree unhindered. After the climber has untied the rope, ask if he or she want the belly pulled out, then do it smooth and careful. Watch for snags that may hang it up.

12) In the event of an emergency, get the first-aid kit immediately. Call 911 if needed, and know your location.

13) If you notice everyone around you is working and you're not, you're doing something wrong. Look around and ask yourself, "What can I do to complete this job?" If you really need instruction about that, ask your foreman.
 
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