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Tom,

Good video with a couple of caveats for the uninitiated...

1. Walbro fuel elbows, especially the white ones, are known to crack and leak. They are NOT made to snap-on and off or rotate for that matter. However, cracked/leaking ones can be replaced. They are press-fit in and the brass stub can be removed with a pair of vice-grips. I use a drill press to press in a new one.

2. Main nozzle check valves can stick and leak. I have had much more issues with Zama than Walbro. Luis (retired from Walbro) recommends always pulling them out from the metering chamber side to preserve the soft aluminum bore (and seal for the new one) in the carb body. Walbro has a slide hammer in their repair kit for this purpose.

3. Avoid removing welch plugs unless it can be proven that the passages beneath are clogged. Re-sealing a new one can be problematic. Even the factory can't do it consistently with their high-dollar custom tooling. They resort to a proprietary secondary sealing material, likely some kind of filled cyanoacrylate. I have found older Pre-E gas carbs with the (green) factory sealing material flaking off in the metering chamber, likely due to ethanol gas.

4. Sealing main nozzles and welch plugs can be problematic as nail polish, seal-all, and similar products are NOT at all resistant to ethanol and will quickly disintegrate. Even non-E gas can still have a small percentage of ethanol in it. One brand in the U.S. had 0.5% listed on one of their non-E pumps. I have successfully used water thin cyanoacrylic (super glue) but you need to let it cure for a couple of days before reassembly.
 
For welch plugs, I got a small bottle of this from Australia.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/302369869129?hash=item4666a60d49:g:hoAAAOSwCkZZXFVs

I can not confirm how well it works yet as I have not had to tear down a carb again for a problem. Just though I would give it a try.
The amazing part was it got to my location in 4 days!

PDF
http://www.threebond.com.au/pdfs/1386.pdf
This appears to be intended to seal freeze (welch) plugs in engine blocks. It appears to be 100% meth/cyanoacrylate so it might be pretty fuel resistant. I have attached the Threebond catalog. I didn't see it mention fuel resistance. Might try calling the manufacturer.
 

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Yup... I thought the same when I got it. I let it set up for like 3 days before mounting and running the saw. Tunes and runs fine hence why I have not tore it back down to see if it sealed 100%. Maybe I should give it a try on a junk carb then do the dunk tank test just out of curiosity....hmmm.
 
Tom,

Good video with a couple of caveats for the uninitiated...

1. Walbro fuel elbows, especially the white ones, are known to crack and leak. They are NOT made to snap-on and off or rotate for that matter. However, cracked/leaking ones can be replaced. They are press-fit in and the brass stub can be removed with a pair of vice-grips. I use a drill press to press in a new one.

2. Main nozzle check valves can stick and leak. I have had much more issues with Zama than Walbro. Luis (retired from Walbro) recommends always pulling them out from the metering chamber side to preserve the soft aluminum bore (and seal for the new one) in the carb body. Walbro has a slide hammer in their repair kit for this purpose.

3. Avoid removing welch plugs unless it can be proven that the passages beneath are clogged. Re-sealing a new one can be problematic. Even the factory can't do it consistently with their high-dollar custom tooling. They resort to a proprietary secondary sealing material, likely some kind of filled cyanoacrylate. I have found older Pre-E gas carbs with the (green) factory sealing material flaking off in the metering chamber, likely due to ethanol gas.

4. Sealing main nozzles and welch plugs can be problematic as nail polish, seal-all, and similar products are NOT at all resistant to ethanol and will quickly disintegrate. Even non-E gas can still have a small percentage of ethanol in it. One brand in the U.S. had 0.5% listed on one of their non-E pumps. I have successfully used water thin cyanoacrylic (super glue) but you need to let it cure for a couple of days before reassembly.
Hey Steve, I appreciate your message.

No ethanol out here mate, nail varnish is recommended by Walbro, a gold stihl tech and other mechanics. No idea about ethanol compatibility but take your word for it - ethanol seems to destroy everything it touches. I agree re zama, they are making their welch plugs non serviceable. If it’s clean and clear I don’t remove them, but if I can get a replacement welch plug, I never hesitate to remove it if a deep clean is necessary, never had a single one leak. I’ll have to try your ca glue trick and see how I go.

No way to pull out this main nozzle from the metering side, I have the walbro sliding hammer tool, but that’s designed for removing the brass retainer over the 3 piece retaining mesh screen. This nozzle is designed to be punched through to the venturi and won’t damage the ally housing if done carefully. Only way to get nozzle valve out the other way in this case is to push from venturi with a screw driver, that will mar the venturi and deform the main nozzle housing. Nothing wrong with tapping through in my experience and is what is recommended by walbro in this case .

Re fuel barb, only ever popped them out like that and replaced them with barbs from other walbro carbs without issue, though, if pulling the whole unit out, I’d replace with a brass fitting and Jb weld.

Cheers
 
@Vintage Engine Repairs Thanks for the video and for the knowledge sharing. What’s your preference? Carb cleaner or ulatrasonic cleaner?

I don’t normally test the carbs. Clean them (carb spray), new g&d (or full kit), reassemble, and hope for the best! Generally I luck out… Not always!
 
@Vintage Engine Repairs Thanks for the video and for the knowledge sharing. What’s your preference? Carb cleaner or ulatrasonic cleaner?

I don’t normally test the carbs. Clean them (carb spray), new g&d (or full kit), reassemble, and hope for the best! Generally I luck out… Not always!
It’s my pleasure, I use to use a spray can of carb cleaner, but over time I have been leaning towards less aggressive cleaners like wd40 first and If they don’t remove or unblock things then I’ll put it in the ultrasonic cleaner.

If the carb looks good, I’ll confirm everything as per this video, using a spray oil. If it’s dirty I’ll chuck it in the ultrasonic cleaner. I don’t use carb cleaner now unless all else fails. I can’t stand the smell and how aggressive it is.
 

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