Chain sharpening cross reference?

Arborist Forum

Help Support Arborist Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.

axlsavage

ArboristSite Lurker
Joined
Jun 8, 2011
Messages
11
Reaction score
1
Location
California
Does anyone have a link that cross references chains. Mainly with sharpening specs? Im starting out with sharpening and I want to make sure that Im setting up correctly for the chain. The book that came with my Speed Sharp Star has a few. But Im running into chains that are not Oregon and have markings that I cant find and dicipher. Any links or help or sage advise is greatly appreciated!!
 
There is no absolute right or wrong for grinding angles. Experiment with several angles and stick with one that works for you and your cutting conditions.

I've been playing with 25/50/0 or 25/55/0 for softwoods.
 
Does anyone have a link that cross references chains. Mainly with sharpening specs? Im starting out with sharpening and I want to make sure that Im setting up correctly for the chain. The book that came with my Speed Sharp Star has a few. But Im running into chains that are not Oregon and have markings that I cant find and dicipher. Any links or help or sage advise is greatly appreciated!!

That simply is not possible - there are way too many variables involved! :givebeer:
 
Thanks Grande Dog! So is it just a matter of going to each manufacture like Stihl, Husky, Echo and hunting around?
 
Last edited:
Thanks Grande Dog! So is it just a matter of going to each manufacture like Stihl, Husky, Echo and hunting around?

Nah...
It's more like Mtngun said above...find a angle and pitch you like for the woods you cut the most and go with it. Much easier then trying to find out what all the different chains "recommended" best is....

this ain't the commandments....you can fiddle around and find out what works best fer you...
 
Hey Angelo, I get it. The thing is I’m trying to do this as business and I don’t want to mess up someone’s chain. Maybe I need to look at this from a different angle. Professional vs home owner ect.
 
Howdy,
Those specs. are more like a baseline to give the most universal performance. Species, moisture content, and cutting conditions dictate the optimum angle and depth to set your tooth at.
If your going to sharpen chains for other folks, you'll make your self crazy trying to custom grind for people unless they have a pile of loops and or constant cutting conditions.
The general setting we used was 25 on the vice angle / 50 on the head angle / .025 on the depth gauges. This worked well for our requirements. It didn't matter what chain configuratuion, we used the same setting.
Regards
Gregg
 
Those specs. are more like a baseline to give the most universal performance. . . .

+1 on setting up a 'standard' configuration for sharpening, which makes it easier for you. Although, my numbers are slightly different from GD's, I was taught, 'as a general rule':

30 degrees top plate/filing angle;

60 degrees grinder head angle

0 degrees vice tilt angle for semi-chisel chain

+/- 10 degrees vice tilt angle for full-chisel chain

0.025 inches for depth gauges


That said, if you consciously decide to choose other settings, or to experiment for different types of chains or different cutting situations, pick your own numbers. I have been told by a few Oregon reps that the exact angles are less important than getting every cutter sharp, and getting all of them on a chain the same. Most of our grinders are not that precise that we can tell if we are grinding at 29 or 32 degrees.

If I am grinding someone else's chain, I will follow w8ye's advice and try to 'copy' their existing angles by adjusting the grinder settings to match their best remaining cutter, unless they tell me that they want something specific. This way, I preserve their preferences, reduce sharpening time, and avoid excess chain loss and grinding wheel wear.

If you decide to use different settings for different chains, make yourself a little chart to keep next to your grinder for reference so that you don't have to go looking for the info each time.

Philbert
 
. . . I’m trying to do this as business and I don’t want to mess up someone’s chain.

If you want to collect some more manufacturer's specs, angles for TriLink (Home Depot chains) are in their 'Catalog and Application Guide':

http://www.trilinksawchain.com/images/pdf/2010_catalog.pdf

STIHL filing info is on page 23 of:

http://www.stihlusa.com/information/STIHL-Sharp-Advice-Saw-Chain-Guide-Bars.pdf

STIHL grinding info (for their USG grinders - different settings than your Speed Sharp) is attached.

Stay sharp!

Philbert
 
Hey Angelo, I get it. The thing is I’m trying to do this as business and I don’t want to mess up someone’s chain. Maybe I need to look at this from a different angle. Professional vs home owner ect.

Axlsavage,
A pro will tell you what he wants his chains ground at...a homeowner will just bring it back when he burns the life out of it or hits a rock or two....whatever comes first !!!!

When I got my grinder I went through a lot of the same thoughts you are having...then Matt(MCD) and Philbert set me straight....I think the quality of the grinding stone matters more then the angle its set at...JMO.
 
Axlsavage,
A pro will tell you what he wants his chains ground at...a homeowner will just bring it back when he burns the life out of it or hits a rock or two....whatever comes first !!!!

When I got my grinder I went through a lot of the same thoughts you are having...then Matt(MCD) and Philbert set me straight....I think the quality of the grinding stone matters more then the angle its set at...JMO.

Hi Axlsavage,
what grinding wheels would you suggest?
 
Sorry, that was Angelo suggesting the importance of a quality wheel.
Also what Sharpener would you use if you can't afford a Silvey? I was asked today by our dealer if I would be interested in sharpening chains for other people. Sure could use the money but don't want to mess up people's chains.
 
Sorry, that was Angelo suggesting the importance of a quality wheel.
Also what Sharpener would you use if you can't afford a Silvey? I was asked today by our dealer if I would be interested in sharpening chains for other people. Sure could use the money but don't want to mess up people's chains.

GB Maxx is my choice for the mid price range grinder. I have a Maxx, Foley Belsaw 308 and an Oregon 511A. I was going to sharpen for others set up Maxx for .325 w/CBN, 308 for 3/8" and 511a for drags. If you have to lower drags $8.00 and sharpen cutters $8.00 you have more than half the price of a new chain, just food for thought. If your dealer wants to give you that business there must be a reason. My thought's are it's a "loss leader" he wouldn't do it if he didn't have too. If you do I highly recommend spending the money for CBN wheel faster,cooler and lasts longer w/ less maintenance.
Shep
 
GB Maxx is my choice for the mid price range grinder. I have a Maxx, Foley Belsaw 308 and an Oregon 511A. I was going to sharpen for others set up Maxx for .325 w/CBN, 308 for 3/8" and 511a for drags. If you have to lower drags $8.00 and sharpen cutters $8.00 you have more than half the price of a new chain, just food for thought. If your dealer wants to give you that business there must be a reason. My thought's are it's a "loss leader" he wouldn't do it if he didn't have too. If you do I highly recommend spending the money for CBN wheel faster,cooler and lasts longer w/ less maintenance.
Shep

Thanks Shep, that really helps. I want to buy a decent grinder for my own use anyway so that is only partially an investment if I'll accept the job. The firm I work for almost closed a couple of months ago and having a little side income would be comforting. The dealer is ACE Hardware and their chain guy retired. There seems to be much demand but nobody wants to mess with it. They also said that somebody else (didn't specify- only know of 2 others) is doing a really bad job and ruining chains. The going rate here is $ 7- 8 per chain that includes rakers.
 

Latest posts

Back
Top