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2.Any commercial use will require a licensed operator and crane. Your "business" would preclude you from any personal use clauses. Ie, a licensed operator would be needed.
1: I can operate on my own time at my own house working on my own stuff and not be clocked in
2: tree work is exempt from any crane rules as per OSHA, its not legally a crane once parked on a tree job, anyone can operate it
3: I very well may have my NCCCO card, maybe I don't, but you assuming just makes an ass of yourself


heres the osha crane standard, ANYONE can operate a crane on ANY tree removal/trimming job in the USA SO LONG AS, state OSHA allows it, Tennessee follows Federal OSHA so where I live we are allowed to put anyone on the crane, so me having my CCO means **** all in this conversation anyways

also we can fly equipment on tree jobs, i.e stumper, dingo into the back yard, doesn't specifically have to be tied to the tree, however if the customer asks us to fly a pallet of shingles or something, we can't do that, same goes for wallboard cranes, anyone with a CDL can drive the truck and operate it BUT ONLY to load or unload his/her truck to/from the nearest possible spot and can not "help" with the "construction"
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I find it funny how @sean donato laughed at my post, where I site the law saying he's wrong, but he's yet to reply trying to correct me

its almost like, theres other people in this world that can be correct ya know

p.s getting a CCO card is stupid easy, laughably easy, give them some money, move a barrel through some cones and show you can do deductions to determine gross vs net capacity, calculate the weight of some loads, simple as!
 
1: I can operate on my own time at my own house working on my own stuff and not be clocked in
2: tree work is exempt from any crane rules as per OSHA, its not legally a crane once parked on a tree job, anyone can operate it
3: I very well may have my NCCCO card, maybe I don't, but you assuming just makes an ass of yourself


heres the osha crane standard, ANYONE can operate a crane on ANY tree removal/trimming job in the USA SO LONG AS, state OSHA allows it, Tennessee follows Federal OSHA so where I live we are allowed to put anyone on the crane, so me having my CCO means **** all in this conversation anyways

also we can fly equipment on tree jobs, i.e stumper, dingo into the back yard, doesn't specifically have to be tied to the tree, however if the customer asks us to fly a pallet of shingles or something, we can't do that, same goes for wallboard cranes, anyone with a CDL can drive the truck and operate it BUT ONLY to load or unload his/her truck to/from the nearest possible spot and can not "help" with the "construction"
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Hard to believe, that's OSHA what about individual States is it different? Sounds way too easy, I am skeptical since they control every aspect of our work. Be nice if it is accurate, though.
 
When I was 16 I was cut by a chainsaw someone else was operating when he experienced kickback. I had on a pair of jeans. They offered NO protection whatsoever. It hit me in the calf and was over in about 1 second. I won't go into gory details. Suffice it to say it cut half way thru my calf.

I now wear chaps EVERY time I operate a chainsaw and I strongly encourage all of you do the same. They offer great protection and are way cheaper than even walking into the emergency room, much less when you include any surgical fees.

Be careful out there and please wear your personal protection equipment!
 
Hard to believe, that's OSHA what about individual States is it different? Sounds way too easy, I am skeptical since they control every aspect of our work. Be nice if it is accurate, though.
Some states make their own rules, NY for instance you have a cco AND state operators license, I've heard in CT you have to have latches on your rigging hooks, in NV you can't ride the ball but Cali you can

In TN Is basically the wild west, we can do anything as long as fedosha allows it, including putting anyone on the crane, riding the ball, etc
 
Some states make their own rules, NY for instance you have a cco AND state operators license, I've heard in CT you have to have latches on your rigging hooks, in NV you can't ride the ball but Cali you can

In TN Is basically the wild west, we can do anything as long as fedosha allows it, including putting anyone on the crane, riding the ball, etc
AHAH, there in lies the catch for us here.
 
New Jersey, it's Liberal infested! We need a License to cut trees!
Oh lol, yeah no license or permits in any county or city I work in, and no state license

Need a contractors license for jobs over 25k, and 2 mil gl insurance, business license isn't even required I don't think but I got one anyways, llc was cheap insurance for me

But yeah it's kinda ridiculous, anyone with a saw can have a tree service Here, but a plumber had to be on a city list to get permits, and has to have a business license, plumbers license, insurance etc


I mean, we play woth 50k pound trees woth minimal anything, but we can't make turds flow down a pipe without government accreditation
 
Oh lol, yeah no license or permits in any county or city I work in, and no state license

Need a contractors license for jobs over 25k, and 2 mil gl insurance, business license isn't even required I don't think but I got one anyways, llc was cheap insurance for me

But yeah it's kinda ridiculous, anyone with a saw can have a tree service Here, but a plumber had to be on a city list to get permits, and has to have a business license, plumbers license, insurance etc


I mean, we play woth 50k pound trees woth minimal anything, but we can't make turds flow down a pipe without government accreditation
Check out what we have to deal with here.

https://treeexpert.sna-apps.com/
 
I find it funny how @sean donato laughed at my post, where I site the law saying he's wrong, but he's yet to reply trying to correct me

its almost like, theres other people in this world that can be correct ya know

p.s getting a CCO card is stupid easy, laughably easy, give them some money, move a barrel through some cones and show you can do deductions to determine gross vs net capacity, calculate the weight of some loads, simple as!
I find it funny how @sean donato laughed at my post, where I site the law saying he's wrong, but he's yet to reply trying to correct me

its almost like, theres other people in this world that can be correct ya know

p.s getting a CCO card is stupid easy, laughably easy, give them some money, move a barrel through some cones and show you can do deductions to determine gross vs net capacity, calculate the weight of some loads, simple as!
Yes, you're correct, by federal laws you technically do not. However it's a gross misinterpretation of the law, and is lumped in with cranes used on service trucks, and side boom cranes used in pipe laying applications.
I quite assure you any crane falls under the definitions of the construction laws irregardless of being used for tree removal or not, even boom trucks used for setting trusses require certified operators.
Coupple this with no crane rental company is going to let an un licensed individual run a crane (and, yes I checked several companies that rent cranes in Tennessee over lunch break.) Let alone rent one without providing proof of licenes, makes your point moot.
 
Yes, you're correct, by federal laws you technically do not. However it's a gross misinterpretation of the law, and is lumped in with cranes used on service trucks, and side boom cranes used in pipe laying applications.
I quite assure you any crane falls under the definitions of the construction laws irregardless of being used for tree removal or not, even boom trucks used for setting trusses require certified operators.
Coupple this with no crane rental company is going to let an un licensed individual run a crane (and, yes I checked several companies that rent cranes in Tennessee over lunch break.) Let alone rent one without providing proof of licenes, makes your point moot.
kinda funny tho considering I have a ton of friends local to me that own cranes, but don't own a "Crane company"

so yeah I get my seat time in
service truck cranes are exempt also
a boom truck setting trusses is infact "construction" so yes, you would need a certified operator, but no, not "any crane" falls under construction laws, the only time that law applies is when you are infact doing construction
loading or unloading trucks, repair, vehicular wreck clearance, tree work, etc doesn't fall under any sort of OSHA regulation when it comes to the "crane" part of things, anything other than construction a crane falls under the exact same category of an excavator with a chain wrapped over a bucket tooth lifting a bucket of fairy dust

another interesting part is, almost everyone I know that uses cranes for tree work isn't certified, and has had OSHA stop by their jobs, what do ya know, OSHA doesn't care, all they do is ask if you're going to do any construction while on that job, you say no and they leave


"I quite assure you any crane falls under the diffinitions of the construction laws irregardless of being used for tree removal or not"
IDK man, I just showed you the LAW that states the crane does not fall under ANY construction laws if its on a tree job, I posted ZERO interpritation, just pictures from the OSHA website, you can go look for yourself but as far as im concerned im done arguing with you, as you seem to pay zero attention to FEDERAL LAW and just want to shove your opinion down our throats as if I am wrong, however the law is on my side with this one


cheerio mate,
 

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