for the flush cut versions,,, but just picking them up off of the display @ the shop,,,, PHO,,,,, the 460 feels a bit heavier but seems to balance better??????? must be the phat Arse on the 441 ehh Nikko!!!!!!! go figure,,, but I tell you what put a 28" bar on a 460 and a 24" bar on a 441 and I think you would be surprised,,,,, The 460 Will Kick some tail!!!!!!!