Chipper Upgrade

[Treezn Hedgez]

Three man gang wanting to update chipper. Pruning mostly, some removals using a 5", 18 hp. Graveley Drop-Feed ( bit weak). Looking at Bear-Cat 8" 25 hp Hydraulic Sensor. Model 72825. Thoughts and opinions please.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Don't know your budget, but I feel that the small chippers need to much work to feed. Cut down the wide angle branches and such.

I think a 12 inch with a modest diesel (65-85hp) with auto feed and rooler speed control.

12 inch allows almost any crotch size in, most are wider then tall so you have like 17 inch wide at the rollers.

Diesel dont lug down like gas does, better engine life...

Auto feed alows the stuffer to walk away from the feed bar, thus increasing productivity.

feed wheel speed allows you to adjust for material being processed. Oak oneday with silver maple the next you can turn the speed up and not worry about the auto feed ckicking in as much.

Vermeer has one in the low twenties.

 

[Treezn Hedgez]

12" 65-85 Horse

Hi John Paul , thanks for your response to my first post. It's good to make contact.

I can see the benefits of using a big chipper; time saving, ease of job, increased procuctivity even increased rates.

But the market we service is mostly if not all residential. Some sites are tricky to get to so that's why we thought "a smaller chipper". And with the turn-table on the Bear-Cat it looks to be easier to feed.

I don't know. Have you ever used one? Or do you know anyone who has? What make and model do you use?

Might also need a bigger truck to pull a bigger machine. ( Currently got a 3 ton, 4 litre diesel)

Also, funds available are capped. Low $20's US is mid to high $40's NZ. We'd like to stay around $30.

If you or others would like to comment further please feel free.

 

[treeclimber165]

I never heard of the Bear-Cat, but I know Morbark makes an excellent machine. They have a 10" model which wouldn't be as big and heavy as a Vermeer 12" disc.

I just found some literature on it: Model 2070XL
Height: 7'3"
Length: 15'3"
width: 5'7"
weight: approx. 4000 lbs
Feed wheel opening: 10" x 15"
Feed rate: 80 feet per minute
Fuel capacity: 25 gallons
Hydraulic capacity: 18 gallons

At one time I was considering going into business with someone and buying a new chipper. This is the one I had decided on, but plans fell through.

 

[D]

Actually, that 2070XL is considered a 7 inch. It just has a larger opening. Can you believe with those specs its a 7 inch? Pretty damn good chipper. They are gonna introduce a 50HP Perkins unit that would probably fit into 15,000 us dollars maybe more for you cause of shipping and taxes. If you were gonna stay small, maybe the 6inch Brush Bandit may also work. I used to sell against Bearcat. They are very underbuilt in my honest opinion. Good price, so so built. I would go with another gravely over the bearcat. Good luck.

This is a 9 inch disk http://www.morbark.com/equipment_specs/2090d.htm

Here is the 7 inch drum http://www.morbark.com/equipment_specs/2070xl.htm

 

[treeclimber165]

Darin, where do you get 7" from? First line on the specs for the 2070 say it is 'rated' as a 10" chipper. I know it is bigger than the Vermeer 935 (9").

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I used two Bandit 65's and they were not built for highway travel. Blew leafsprings every couple months. That and other reasons I am anti Bandit.

I agreee Morbark is one of the most rugged machines out there. Use a number of them. But they are BIG! lover the Vermeer 1000.

Here is a dealer in Papatoetoe

http://www.vermeer.com/dealers/inte...y=New+Zealand&category=IND&submit=Find+Dealer

This is the 1000XL
http://www.vermeer.com/equipment/brush_chippers/BC1000XL/

 

[D]

It says that but, put a 35HP and tell me its gonna chip a 10inch log. 7inch is what it is rated to do all day. It is bigger than a 935 and smaller than a BC1000. If you look at the model numbers on Morbark this is what they mean: 625 (6 is for 6") 2070 (7 is for 7") 2090 (9 is for 9") and so on. Its just what they rate them to do all day long, it may not be in the literature, but this is how they do it. That is the way I think you should rate them. This way you wont wear it out prematurely.

If this isnt true why is there 9 inch more expensive than their 2070 which is rated larger? I know that is what it says but its propaganda to compare price wise better.

 

[Eric E.]

I used the Gravleys when they were Pro-mark. We ran a 210 and a 310. The 210 was the drop in type and the 310 was a 25 hp pivoting tray type. They were good machines for shrubs, ornamentals, and small removals.

When I started my own business I bought a used Bandit 90 for $7500. I've run it for 4 years now and am quite happy with it. I don't do alot of monster removals so the 9" capicity is not an issue. 50 HP perkins doesn't mind bigger material but I don't push it too much.

 

[Toddppm]

JPS about how much does that 1000 go for? Direct feed to the blades right? No feedwheel? Also did having only 2 blades seem to bog it down or require more maintenance?
Sorry for all the questions, just never saw one of those

 

[Cicero]

Actually, if you compare the 2070 Morbark w/the Vermeer BC 1000 will keep up with the Vermeer given the 2070 is equipped with and equal powerplant....85hp Cummins. In addition, the blades are much easier to change since there is only one which requires no nut to loosen. The bolt is fit directly into the drum. Plus, you may ask your Vermeer salesman if they ever caught the forest on fire with their exhaust being channeled through the discharge shoot. I think they may have changed that now. In addition, Morbark does not use many decorative panels to make their machine look real nice. Which makes it easy when you do have to work on them, no panels to take off just to start your work. As a bonus the Morbark is generally cheaper too and come with a two year warranty.

 

[treeclimber165]

Todd,
The Vermeer 1000 is a feed-wheel type drum chipper, kinda like a lil brother to the 1800 and 2000. Between it and the Morbark, I think the Morbark looks like a better machine. I've run the Vermeer and I'm familiar with other Morbarks. But only one knife on it bothers me. Anyone have any experience with this chipper?
Hey Big C.,
How much do these babies cost, ballpark?

 

[Cicero]

Treeclimber, the feed wheel spins much faster on the 2070 than the other drums, this is how it keeps up chipping with the others. Should be able to pick one up for 20,000 plus tax. I have sold several and I love demoing against BC1000. Easy sale every time.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

the 1000 is intentionaly designed to be lighter/smaller then other chippers for the residential industry.

I like the simple PTO/throttle system they have. Near idiot proof.

Still has exhaust going through the discharge, havent seen any sparks yet.

When I priced it it wass in the low twenties and they gave a very good trade value on the POS the club had.

Again, I like Morbark too. It is just that the 1000 is a very good compact machine with a 12 x 17in feed.

 

[Jason Showers]

Originally posted by Treezn Hedgez
Three man gang wanting to update chipper. Pruning mostly, some removals using a 5", 18 hp. Graveley Drop-Feed ( bit weak). Looking at Bear-Cat 8" 25 hp Hydraulic Sensor. Model 72825. Thoughts and opinions please.

Dear Three Man Gang,

Check out the morbark Model 2050 Brush Chipper. It is a 5" capacity drum chipper. If you are leaning more towards a disc-style chipper my recommendation would be the 6" capacity Model 2060-D Brush Chipper.

Check out our website at www.morbark.com. Feel free to e-mail me if you have any questions at [email protected].

Best Regards,

Jason

 

[Jason Showers]

Originally posted by treeclimber165
Darin, where do you get 7" from? First line on the specs for the 2070 say it is 'rated' as a 10" chipper. I know it is bigger than the Vermeer 935 (9").

Dear Darin,

The Morbark model 2070XL is a 10" capacity chipper.

Best regards,

Jason Showers

 

[Jason Showers]

Darin,

The Morbark Model 2070XL is a 10" capacity drum chipper.

Jason

 

[Jason Showers]

Originally posted by Darin
It says that but, put a 35HP and tell me its gonna chip a 10inch log. 7inch is what it is rated to do all day. It is bigger than a 935 and smaller than a BC1000. If you look at the model numbers on Morbark this is what they mean: 625 (6 is for 6") 2070 (7 is for 7") 2090 (9 is for 9") and so on. Its just what they rate them to do all day long, it may not be in the literature, but this is how they do it. That is the way I think you should rate them. This way you wont wear it out prematurely.

If this isnt true why is there 9 inch more expensive than their 2070 which is rated larger? I know that is what it says but its propaganda to compare price wise better.

Darin,

The reason the disc style is more expensive is due to the machining that is involved to turn down a disc. It costs more to build a disc style chipper than a drum style. Morbark is for the most parts a self-contained manufacturer meaning we build everything we can under our roof instead of "subbing" the work out and in essence becoming an assembly plant only.

Jason

 

[Jason Showers]

Originally posted by John Paul Sanborn
the 1000 is intentionaly designed to be lighter/smaller then other chippers for the residential industry.

I like the simple PTO/throttle system they have. Near idiot proof.

Still has exhaust going through the discharge, havent seen any sparks yet.

When I priced it it wass in the low twenties and they gave a very good trade value on the POS the club had.

Again, I like Morbark too. It is just that the 1000 is a very good compact machine with a 12 x 17in feed.

Dear John Paul,

The Vermeer BC1000 is designed with a heavy European influence (i.e sound reduction panels, streamlined shape, etc...) Remember Vermeers trademark is the "Diggin Dutchmen". I have heard that they had some trouble with the first machines burning because of the exhaust, but haven't heard anything in awhile. Thank you for the props it is appreciated.

Jason

 

[D]

Better tell your local dealer, Or tell Ben Van Allen (Van Halen). Thats were I got my info.
Wouldnt shove 10 inches in that baby to often. I live in high altitude, shouldnt make a big difference, but seems to on those. Its an excellent chipper, much nicer than the 935, or any vermeer for that matter. Thanks for setting me straight. You need to get a sponsored forum on here. So I dont have to look like an idiot. You can answer all the morbark questions yourself and gain a lot of respect in the meantime. Look what they are doing on www.lawnsite.com . Lots of mfg answering questions. Thanks again, hopefully we can talk soon.