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[treeclimber165]

Welcome, Jason

I appreciate your answers to questions raised in this thread. Just one more for ya (for now): When are you gonna get a dealer in Orlando to compete against Vermeer Southeast?

 

[Jason Showers]

I don't cover that region myself, however I know they have added some new dealers to the mix recently. It may take awhile for them to "Take the industry by storm" but we are definately progressing in that area. Keep checking out our website in the dealer section for new arrivals to the family.

 

[Jason Showers]

Originally posted by Darin
Better tell your local dealer, Or tell Ben Van Allen (Van Halen). Thats were I got my info.
Wouldnt shove 10 inches in that baby to often. I live in high altitude, shouldnt make a big difference, but seems to on those. Its an excellent chipper, much nicer than the 935, or any vermeer for that matter. Thanks for setting me straight. You need to get a sponsored forum on here. So I dont have to look like an idiot. You can answer all the morbark questions yourself and gain a lot of respect in the meantime. Look what they are doing on www.lawnsite.com . Lots of mfg answering questions. Thanks again, hopefully we can talk soon.

Darin,

I never meant for you to look like an idiot. You are right in most of what you are said about the 2070XL (especcially in high altitude). If equipped properly it can and will handle 9-10" diameter all day long. And who knows maybe we can put a 2" larger infeed opening, keep the same power options and call ours a 12" machine too. (BC1000XL)

Jason

 

[D]

Well, I dont feel really like an idiot, cause I still dont feel like the machine will do 9-10inch logs all day. I feel it will do 2/3 that all day consistantly, in my area. If equipt properly is the key. Dont expect much out of 35HP when chipping 10" logs. Good joke on the BC1000. BTW I demoed your small tub grinder the other day. That thing is awesome. Just need to keep material in it (loaded), or it wont chip. Never really run one before so I am guessing that might be standard with the gravity necessity. I couldnt load it fast enough with a grapple. Keep taking the industry by storm. Good moto.

Oh, and tell Ben I have his box of Kotex for his Red Wings and you too if you like them.

 

[Jason Showers]

Darin,

You are absolutely right. The 35-HP in my opinion is kind of a waste on that machine unless your chipping smaller diameter material with big crotches.

The whole trick to the Tub Grinder is keeping it full (at least 1/2 - 3/4). This will do two things: 1) Keep weight on the material to keep a steady flow of material through the hammermill and 2) It will definately help eliminate material from flying out of the tub. I think of it as a movie theatre popcorn machine when it is allowed to run too low on material. After all this time I am still impressed every time I see one run.

By the way, I love your site. Definately makes for interesting discussions. Keep up the good work!

 

[Rob Murphy]

BC 1000

I have been using the Vemeer BC !000 for about a year now . It is has been a great investment.Picked it up for $AUS 44,000.The more I use it the more I am impressed.Sure you have the problems assoc with inovative technology but the support from Vemeer has been good.I love having a decent Autofeed that actvually works!!!It is compact yet takes a sizable log as well.I would have anything bigger because than you need a skidsteer(bobcat) to feed.They are a bit harder on the Knives but easily inspected using the handjack this also can be used to unjam it easily. One thing I have noticed recently is that the suspension absorbs some of the shock when chipping the larger wood which means less shaking and vibrating allround.It does look a bit small behind our truck but does the job nonethe less.

 

[Jason Showers]

Rob,

I'm glad to hear that you like your Vermeer. I would like to see you take that machine to even half of the places where you could take a Morbark. I have a term for the Vermeer BC1000. It's called "pavement pu**y". They are sure are nice to look at until something falls on it or heaven forbid it needs worked on. Everyone has there own brand preferences regarding machinery and that is why we have competition.


Speaking of the knives, I really hope you never introduce a foreign object into the drum. Surely this causes damage on any machine but just like the price tag on the Vermeer, the parts are equally as expensive. The reason I brought this up is because Vermeer direct mounts their knives to the drum. This is a bad thing if you introduce a foreign object into your machine. Normally it would result in replacing, reskinning or resurfacing the drum of the Vermeer. Morbark offers replacebale knife holders. This means that the knife is bolted to the holder and the holder is bolted to the drum. If a foreign object is introduced normally you can replace the knife and knife holder for a fraction of the cost of having the entire drum reworked. Just something to think about.

Cheers,

Jason

 

[Jason Showers]

Originally posted by Darin
Well, I dont feel really like an idiot, cause I still dont feel like the machine will do 9-10inch logs all day. I feel it will do 2/3 that all day consistantly, in my area. If equipt properly is the key. Dont expect much out of 35HP when chipping 10" logs. Good joke on the BC1000. BTW I demoed your small tub grinder the other day. That thing is awesome. Just need to keep material in it (loaded), or it wont chip. Never really run one before so I am guessing that might be standard with the gravity necessity. I couldnt load it fast enough with a grapple. Keep taking the industry by storm. Good moto.

Oh, and tell Ben I have his box of Kotex for his Red Wings and you too if you like them.

Darin,

I spoke with Ben and he said, "How about those Colorado Avalanche". We decided that perhaps the Kotex would be better suited to dry your eyes after watching an Avalanche game. I hear they have have an excellent absorbency factor. Wingnut4Life!

Jason

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Making valid claims as to the superiority of ones product over a competitors is one thing, but bashing is very unproffesional.

If you are, as it seems, a Morbark rep, I am not impressed.

Not only have you denigrated you competitor, but Rob, me and all those others out there who find this compact machine to fit the needs of an industry segment.

This is a public forum, not private email. Add to that Vermeers comarketing with our major sponsor...

 

[Rob Murphy]

Morbark???

Sorry Jason I have only seen Morbarks in cattledogs.Choice between Bandit and Vermeer is all we have down here.
The Vemeer knives are not totally actually mounted to the drum but through the drum to a replacable sleave.
"I make it my solemn duty note to allow foreign objects in "MY".chipper,"
Isn't that part off the groundsman's oath.
Anyway John's was right even if my reply sounded a bit like a Vemeer advert " bashing " the competition is not a good marketing approach.

 

[Jason Showers]

Dear John Paul,

I'm certainly not trying to "bash competition" or make fun of ones choice in chippers. I'm sure Rob had very good reasons for buying his machine (as he pointed out). I was simply trying to point out some obvious feature differences. This is what gives competitors "an edge" over one another.

If you remember back 10-15 years ago everybody and there brother were building chippers. When the economic crunch hit in the eighties only the strong survived. There were several "small time" chipper manufacturers driven out of business because of it. The top three chippers made today in (my opinion) are Vermeer, Bandit and Morbark. Two of three (Vermeer, Morbark) were survivors of the crunch (Bandit started around 1983-1985 approx.)

As demonstrated this certainly can create a Chevy, Ford and Dodge scenario or John Deere, Cat and Cummins rivalry dispute, if you will.

Who is better? Everyone has their own niche or claim to fame regarding their machinery. I'm sure you could go back and forth for months on that issue.

I love competition and I think companies need it to survive. This business (in some areas) is getting to be pretty cut-throat and I don't wish to be confused as a responsible party for making that happen. We are no stranger to these games just as much as the gentleman I was reading about in another forum regarding the tree guys who will beat any written or advertised pricing.

My motto is: "You never want to any further lengths than necessary regarding a competitor because they may be signing your paychecks tomorrow".

I apologize if I offended you and Rob but everyone is allowed to have an opinion.

Jason

 

[D]

Darin,
The reason the disc style is more expensive is due to the machining that is involved to turn down a disc. It costs more to build a disc style chipper than a drum style. Morbark is for the most parts a self-contained manufacturer meaning we build everything we can under our roof instead of "subbing" the work out and in essence becoming an assembly plant only.
Jason

Then why is the 2100D (14in disc) less expensive than the 13(13in drum)? Sounds contadicting to me.

Tell Ben I will see him in January.