Come back Tom

[treevet]

There is no reason not to read and post on all the sites. Sure they ALL regress at times and to a point that is part of the fun. Don't you post on the site run by one of the 2 (you get 2 guesses) you banned?

I left AS for a full year and came back to find a much better site. Not so much of the pack mentality like, again 2 guesses, 1 of the sites, and much more open (less gestapo mgt.) with great arborists. AS is a great place to be.

If you make a comeback....how about you come back as George Hayduke :kilt:

opcorn:

Re....post #24

 

[tntree]

To say that all ISA-CAs have no clue about tree work and line clearance specifically is rubbish. To say that line clearance tree climbers don't know their job is just as much rubbish.

Well said Tom, and heck Tom even lets me post on his site (where the hells the wink Icon)

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Well said Tom, and heck Tom even lets me post on his site (where the hells the wink Icon)

Just type a ; next to a ) and you get

 

[treemandan]

Just type a ; next to a ) and you get

;a

 

[jefflovstrom]

 

[Tree Machine]

If you make a comeback....how about you come back as George Hayduke

Hi George. a;

 

[treevet]

Maybe Ekka will come back as well and they can bury the hatchet (or pitchfork) and hopefully not in each other.

 

[Tree Machine]

Ekka's team has a great mastery of the whole Google thing. When George Hayduke was called out 'somehow' after that if you google "Tom Dunlap Arborist" you would get a top position of George's callout thread. Tom's been part of thousands of threads, so I can't attribute this to coincidence.

Now, mudslinging is one thing. Interfering with a guy's career in a negative way is really just pushing it too far. Tom's clientele shouldn't have to be part of some past spat.


I would like Ekka to un-do that. The thread is in the past, but the unnecessary negative effect carries on. I doubt Tom suffers any from it, but any point from it has already been made. Be done with it.

 

[treevet]

I think the response MIGHT (can't speak for Ekka) be that Tom started it all for no good reason and HE dirtied up Ekka's forum with deception and abuse.

Might be a good place and time for reconciliation.....

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Tom Dunlap Arborist the Heyduke is third from top still.

 

[jomoco]

I've bumped heads with Tom, repeatedly, over the issue of whole tree chipper fatalities on the rise. His position on the matter is the only serious beef I have with him as a climbing arborist.

Both he and that Ball fellow seem to think the chipper manufacturers are doing their best to address this issue through training programs and detailed instruction courses, warning stickers, anything but actually engineering a practical means of reducing fatalities/injuries onto the chipper itself. And further that even mandating a two man operating rule for larger WTC's is unnecessary and onerous for our industry, despite OSHA and NIOSH FACE officials recommendations to do so.

The reality is that Tom's position matching Ball's position on this life and death issue also matches the ISA, TCIA, Morbark, Vermeer, Bandit etc.

To me as a 36 year veteran, very familiar with WTC's since their introduction in the late 80's early 90's, I find myself unable to support either Tom's or TCIA's barbaric position on this important issue. The only result will be more dead treeworkers, killed in a horrible way, that can easily be prevented through either better engineering or mandated two man operation rules being mandated as an industry standard.

This grim issue is why I have steered my own children away from working in this industry, and do not recommend it to anyone as a good career choice any longer.

It's a huge blackeyed embarrassment that Morbark seems to write our industry's rules, regulations and standards, effectively turning a blind eye to crue and unusual death by dismemberment in the 21st century.

jomoco

 

[treevet]

I've bumped heads with Tom, repeatedly, over the issue of whole tree chipper fatalities on the rise. His position on the matter is the only serious beef I have with him as a climbing arborist.

Both he and that Ball fellow seem to think the chipper manufacturers are doing their best to address this issue through training programs and detailed instruction courses, warning stickers, anything but actually engineering a practical means of reducing fatalities/injuries onto the chipper itself. And further that even mandating a two man operating rule for larger WTC's is unnecessary and onerous for our industry, despite OSHA and NIOSH FACE officials recommendations to do so.

The reality is that Tom's position matching Ball's position on this life and death issue also matches the ISA, TCIA, Morbark, Vermeer, Bandit etc.

To me as a 36 year veteran, very familiar with WTC's since their introduction in the late 80's early 90's, I find myself unable to support either Tom's or TCIA's barbaric position on this important issue. The only result will be more dead treeworkers, killed in a horrible way, that can easily be prevented through either better engineering or mandated two man operation rules being mandated as an industry standard.

This grim issue is why I have steered my own children away from working in this industry, and do not recommend it to anyone as a good career choice any longer.

It's a huge blackeyed embarrassment that Morbark seems to write our industry's rules, regulations and standards, effectively turning a blind eye to crue and unusual death by dismemberment in the 21st century.

jomoco

My God you are a long winded self important gas bag.

Let's look at what you do not believe in....

International Society of Arboriculture
Tree Care Industry
Certified Arborists
Accumulating/reading a lot of books
Alex Shigo
Lag bolts
God
And now CHIPPERS????

We should all go immediately to a stand by mode and wait for your instructions as what to do next.

 

[tree MDS]

We gotta get you two some boxing gloves.

Now that would be entertaining! opcorn:

 

[jomoco]

Yeah TV, I'm against doing nothing about the growing number of treeworkers dying in these gruesome WTC fatalities.

If it was your son feeding a WTC?

jomoco

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Jon is upset because he feels he has a rather simple fix to the problem, and is given the cold shoulder by all the above parties. I've not heard the industries reasoning for not liking his proximity switch.

IMO chipper death is a result of poor training and a lack of common sense. Case in point is the one in Kenosha, WI where the supposed company owner and seasoned veteran was standing on the infeed tray, pushing logs in with his foot, on a chipper were the roller control hydraulics was disabled by himself. Kinda like cleaning a gun without doing a breach inspection; plain stupid.

 

[jomoco]

Jon is upset because he feels he has a rather simple fix to the problem, and is given the cold shoulder by all the above parties. I've not heard the industries reasoning for not liking his proximity switch.

IMO chipper death is a result of poor training and a lack of common sense. Case in point is the one in Kenosha, WI where the supposed company owner and seasoned veteran was standing on the infeed tray, pushing logs in with his foot, on a chipper were the roller control hydraulics was disabled by himself. Kinda like cleaning a gun without doing a breach inspection; plain stupid.

You don't quite get the full grasp of what's actually happening here JPS. It's OSHA and NIOSH FACE officials recommending a two man minimum mandate to reduce the growing fatality rate, and Morbark and TCIA saying screw that, if yu slip up feedin that chipper alone, then later days dude.

These so called safety officials can't establish a two man minimum standard to reduce these WTC deaths, much less try and reduce them through smarter engineering whatsoever.

jomoco

 

[treevet]

You don't quite get the full grasp of what's actually happening here JPS. It's OSHA and NIOSH FACE officials recommending a two man minimum mandate to reduce the growing fatality rate, and Morbark and TCIA saying screw that, if yu slip up feedin that chipper alone, then later days dude.

These so called safety officials can't establish a two man minimum standard to reduce these WTC deaths, much less try and reduce them through smarter engineering whatsoever.

jomoco

These guys dieing are the same guys falling outta trees, getting fried on electric lines, getting hit by falling limbs, falling off ladders painting, running across busy intersection, racing motorcycles without helmets on.

And by the way Jomoco, my son chips brush all summer home from college often with a bc2000 and I have not a worry as he was well taught, then closely monitored and then became fine "on his own". If he stood on an infeed chute pushing logs with his foot... he would wish the limb dragged him in instead of me getting ahold of him.

 

[treeseer]

Nice derail Jon. My kid feeds a chipper once in a blue moon, and can work in the industry long-term with a lot more to do besides feed a chipper.
Second person solves little--sometimes stupidity is compounded.

and vet--Hayduke dirtied up Ekka's mudpit with deception? Whaaaa? The dictator there won't print research that debunks what he says--what's clean about that?

 

[Tree Machine]

I exchanged frequently with Hayduke. He was a strong contributor, kept challenging my points relentlessly, digging deep for more. Hayduke was professional and sorta hard-edged polite. He just worked under a different name than his own, just like I do, and just like Treevet and Treeseer and TreeMDS and TreeCo do.

Working under a surname was Tom's crime, no one will find any instance of Tom being malicious in any way. He never went to that level, not in the threads I was part of, which were many in the George Hayduke era. I know little of their former dramas, only what went on at Ekka's site.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Working under a surname was Tom's crime,

Dunlap is his surname, Heyduke was his pseudonym.